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Unpopular Opinions Thread Anonymous 04/13/2020 (Mon) 02:56:07 No. 320
What controversial opinions do you hold? Post them here!
Tea tastes better without milk or sugar.
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speaking of cats lol i love sphinx cats so much and think they're so cute. i know a few people who have them and share this sentiment but when i bring this up to most people, they are like, "ewww fucking gross they're hideous" like, especially after experiencing their personalities. they're super sweet and spunky and cute. i love them and want one so bad!
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>>338 Damn, coming in hot (pun not intended). That is definitely unpopular, but dude, rooibos is soooo good without sugar or milk, imo. >>340 They're adorable. I don't really think it's ethical at all to breed cats, but they are definitely so cute. Oriental shorthairs are another that are a little "strange" looking but make me want to explode with how cute they are tbh. Pic related. Like wtf are these ears? Like, are these cats serious with how cute they are? We will never be as cute as any cat, ever. Humans need some humility.
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This. Some of the lesser known characters are the cutest. None of their popular characters are even cute. Don't even get me started on how tacky and ugly their merch is. Grown adults are really out here paying $75 for a 3x4 inch hot pink backpack sewn by Indonesian toddlers.
>>340 They just look like a wrinkly ballsack to me. I've never met one IRL so I have no personal experience with their playfulness though. I love cats so I would probably like a sphinx if I got to know one for their personality, but I cannot deny that these motherfuckers are ugly.
>>362 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyy5XjtXKjs watch this and say try to say this again to any of our faces. don't be coy. just admit it, anon, they are factually the cutest ballsacks you'll ever see.
>>362 they do look like little ballsacks, especially when they're babies lmaaoooo but god damn they're so fucking cute. and soft. and lovable. but yeah i'm totally aware that not many people think so. >>363 i don't know whats wrong with me today - i have cried a lot and am crying rn because of that lmaoooo thank you for sharing.
I like Spenny from Kenny vs Spenny more than Kenny. I don't get why people hate him so much.
>>375 >>375 Np, anon. I'm glad the kitty made you happy enough to cry, but sorry it did make you cry nonetheless. What I wouldn't give to blow raspberries on his chubby little bald tummy! Hope you feel better soon!
Very unpopular opinion coming through that really still bothers me. Maybe it'll be better understood on here. People who say "Plainey stopped being a victim when she..." don't understand how abuse and domestic abuse works. You don't stop being a victim when you're still being victimized just because you take on the behavior of your abuser. That doesn't nullify your status as an abuse victim, especially when we know she's still being abused. It's a really stupid take. It's one thing if she was already removed from the situation and was perpetuating after her removal, but being that she was horribly abused by legitimately psychopathic ex and was clearly never a bright or original young girl means she really never had a shot, and she is STILL in an abusive environment... I don't believe she has had a chance to not become like her abuser. I don't believe anything she did was sexual, it's all been so obviously what 16 year old girls to do/with their best friends "my wifeyyy is so hot!" tier from her end, that she took slightly further because she's clearly desperate for validation and positive reinforcement.
Maybe some of you can explain it to me but, I don't understand how a radical feminist could support or enjoy KPOP groups. A lot of women in the industry are exploited, starved, and abused. It's so hard for me to not see them as victims of the korean beauty culture. It's almost like a... "femininity" factory, and they're all conditioned to perform.
>>469 They can't. Not fully related but this is a great video that shows some of how fucking weird and creepy this shit is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQi-b42LTZE
>>469 I think the K-Pop stuff is beyond feminism and more about capitalism. It's their choice, I couldn't care less.
>>477 Not any of the other anons but I heavily disagree. Saying it's an issue with capitalism dismisses other women's issues that involve the same sort of criticism and mistreatment of women and young girls. Pagents, makeup, modeling - even pornography features a similar mix of overcritical exploitation of women's bodies for "enjoyment"
>>477 >>478 I could understand if anon meant "it's their choice" in the consumer sense; whether a person want to enjoy K-Pop even with all the exploitation that happens behind the scenes is their choice. But if they meant in the "it's the performers choice" then that's a different can of worms entirely.
>>479 Yes, I meant that it's the performers' choice.
>>480 Eh I'm kind of mixed feelings about that, I feel like up to a certain extent you could say it's her choice to willingly dive into the industry even with all the risks. But then you have to wonder at what point is she being pressured to stay despite the abuse? Like does *insert random k-pop star name because i don't know shit* REALLY want to be sucking her producers dick to get that album deal? Though I also don't really know much or care for the entertainment industry in general so perhaps my opinion doesn't mean much. Also unrelated to K-Pop itself but what do you think about child performers?
>>481 God I realize I could have worded my opinion a lot better I sound like some victim blaming asshole. I agree mostly with >>478 at the end of the day, I just don't really know how to feel about K-Pop shit or any idol stuff for that matter when it comes to the performers choice.
>>481 She could give up the album deal and just not sign the contract, it's not like anyone is held at gunpoint. The choice to be a K-Pop idol obviously came from vanity and greed, otherwise they would be indie artists with 3 followers.
>>483 Korean culture is heavily focused on beauty and youth. A Korean woman has be pressured her entire life to meet these beauty standards. It may not have been at gun point, but societal pressure definitely influenced her choices. I don't want to assume anything, but are you an American?
>>483 aren't these girls started at like, 12-13 into the industry?
I don't like cheesecake. It tastes like nothing to me. I guess I can eat it if there are no other desserts, but it's never my first choice.
>>504 some cheesecakes are very good, but i get what you mean. i think the texture is really what people enjoy about it. the texture is very indulgent. my unpopular opinion is that oatmeal raisin anything is almost always better than anything chocolate chip, including cookies. it's so very underrated. carrot cake is literal feces though.
Being an e-celebrity is nowhere near worth the money. People act like it's so easy, but it seems like a nightmare. I would need to be paid many billions to put up with it. And men think being a twitch thot (not even a titty streamer) is so worth it? It seems nothing short of awful. I'd much prefer to be a janitor than be a Youtuber or something similar.
makeup as an industry sucks but wanting to have clear skin, as either sex, is fine. it's heavily associated with poor hygiene and being unclean, and this can cause people to treat you poorly or penalize either sex (though it's obviously more likely for women to experience it). i don't see a problem with complexion based makeup for acne and such, at all. it's also unfair to place that pressure on women who have blemishes etc as if they're upholding an industry when they just want to have clear skin. most people do not have skin problems so it's kind of unfair to place undue burden on people who are already facing stigma for their skin issues
>>561 sometimes acne is just caused by hormonal issues
>>575 oftentimes that is the case, but almost all people associate it with poor hygiene. which is why i don't think it's fair to put pressure on women for not bucking certain makeup and and tell them they're not doing a good enough job at trying to uphold feminist principles by just wearing complexion based makeup
Excessively self-deprecating people annoy the shit out of me. They'd rather wallow and soak up pity than do anything to learn to accept or improve the things about themselves they're critical of.
regular milk > strawberry> chocolate
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Raymond from NH is not that cute. I see the appeal but he looks too much like a real person, it's weird.
>>703 it's the eyes. why would they not just go with cat eyes??
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>>704 For me it's the glasses, there's only a few AC animals that wear accessories like that and even then their faces are usually not as detailed to make up for it. The hair doesn't help either. Feels cluttered and furry-bait. Tried to edit him with more cat-like eyes but somehow he looks goofier...
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>>706 i think that's a major improvement, personally. for me it's the eyes and the fluff of hair. even better when the eyes aren't so slotted but still catty
Alexandra Elbakyan is ridiculously underrated. She's an inspiration, and a bigger hero than 95% of males, living or dead.
>>711 wtf what a queen. never heard of her until now. she's amazing.
>>711 Yeah but she's also a Russian shill, who supports Central Asia being annexed by Russia
>>720 Hey, nobody's perfect.
Honestly feel that this whole “privilege” meme is pretty much on its last legs. It is just not getting traction in mainstream American society as a really useful idea. The uselessness of it is easily seen when it comes to the sublimely idiotic idea of intersectionality. Since all of us fall into multiple social categories, and each category gives us more or less privilege, we end up with a true Gordian knot that simply cannot be untangled. Here’s a good hypothetical example: Joe is male. He comes from an upper class family. He is a doctor. He is black. Bill is male. He lives in hillbilly country and is impoverished, as is his whole family. He is white. Aisha is female. she is an immigrant. she is Muslim. She suffers from misogyny at home and cannot work. So who has the most privilege here? You can see, right away, how inadequate this idea of intersectionality is to assign “privilege points” to different individuals with different pluses and minuses in their life profile. So you can recycle this particular piece of trash concept as often as you like – but that’s not going to change the minds of most people in any way.
>>728 When everyone's privileged, no one is. And to make it a purely anti-white psyop would be too bald. The answer's obviously Bill because he's a white male even if his prospects for social advancement are nil. White male privilege is the only one that really matters. Though of course economic privilege has the most bearing on one's individual quality of life; even slaves looked down on white trash in the antebellum South. I'm not sure blacks who would be qualified as upper class as traditionally understood actually exist. You have to look back to not just the northern WASP but the Boston Brahmin when it comes to the old, blue-blooded American aristocracy. Being a doctor means nothing except to those lower middle class and below. As you can probably guess, the British social strata fascinate me because they don't bother pretending over there.
>>739 >When everyone's privileged, no one is nta anon, but everyone is privileged in one or another, being able bodied is a privilege, being born in the west is privilege no one is saying you have to feel bad about those things but you should acknowledge it
>>741 >>739 I fully believe that majority privilege exists, it's a natural trait of human beings. But here's my problem with pointing out privilege at every turn: it denigrates and minimizes the pain and struggle that some privileged people have endured. Almost every human being on earth is "privileged" in some way. Pointing out the privilege of people who work their asses off to do good in the world does nothing but derail a discussion or debate. "Check your privilege" is becoming the catch-phrase for those too set in their own ways to have a productive, meaningful discussion about almost anything. I dunno, maybe Tumblr has over-exposed me to this way of thinking. But I can't see any good in a trend of pointing out the perceived privileges of others instead of simply judging their ideas, thoughts, and actions.
>>742 While the word has become overused, it can still be useful in describing how certain groups of people have the "privilege" of not having to deal with x form of discrimination or oppresion, while it doesn't negate the possiblity of an individual being underprivileged in other aspects. Of course tumblrinas will always take any relevant term and run it into the ground with their blissful stupidity.
>>744 I always always try to specify that privilege doesn't exist in uniform, for e.g being the right type of christian might be an advantage in certain spaces in America but not all spaces, but If I were christian in Pakistan then it would be a death sentence, and a determent for me and my family another example would be the northern Sudanese ethnic groups that are slightly lighter skinned then the rest of the country and the privileged ruling class compared to the more "African" looking southerners, but these Sudanese northerners are treated and viewed as subhuman by north Africans and Arabs If most people who use the tern can't acknowledge this then the concept is useless imo
>>745 There are a few privileges that hold the same power everywhere though.
>>742 In the end, no one really cares about where you started, only where you end up. Also, we live in an Anglo world.
It's nice there's more customization features but I miss the older player models, they were cute and looked like raggedy dolls. Same goes for the villagers being shorter.
>>752 i can see the appeal but left looks like she's smile-sobbing and on her way to burn down my house
>>747 Yes but their not what people think of when they mean by privilege, wealth and height are almost universally a privilege everywhere but I do believe that if you live in a certain homogeneous area(a lot of small towns and even some cities the US are actually 100% homogeneous) where everyone is whats considered "white", then "white privilege" wouldn't exist for any of the residents but if one of the residents were to move to a more multi-ethnic city, the and only then would "white privilege" would apply
maybe not unpopular here, but most if not all forms of discrimination have their roots in classism and who has the most resources
>>695 banana > anything else
>>899 where does one buy banana milk, anon? i've never seen it
I dislike the way people turn skulls and bones into props/part of an aesthetic. I find it very dehumanizing and disrespectful as a concept. These people don't seem to have some kind of hyper-aware or deep take on mortality, either, like they claim.
>>833 This is one of those things that people will become upset at you for saying, despite it being common sense and easily observable in day-to-day life.
>>901 I guess it boils down to your beliefs and culture, I don't see remains being attached to the person they once belonged to. I live in one of those places that graves are "rented" and we have to throw the bones out after like 20 years (pretty common in europe actually) to save up space, in the end bones are just bones, your memories of that person are more them than a skull. I always found the sacredness around remains that americans have super strange, where I live any police authority with the right documentation can exhume a grave, even without the family agreeing to since graveyards belong to the state, the fact that a judge must rule an exhumation acceptable in america just boggles my mind.
>>906 idk i don't see it as *still* being attached to people, i just dislike the way it's no longer thought about like they belonged to a person, or even an animal? it's like there's a complete detachment to the idea that the skull or body in general, once belonged to someone at some point. who were they? what happened to them? i'm not religious and i don't really believe in the sacredness of the body after death. i just think it's disrespectful, generally, to think of bones, skulls, skins of animals, like they're just unconventional, edgy aesthetic choices, which is what they are to these people. graves needing to be replaced is a functional choice, not an aesthetic one, so i have no real problem with that.
>>902 lol, that's such a good one, along with the avocado bathroom sketch and homeopathic ER. kill the poor is another pretty good one.
>>900 Don’t you have it at the supermarket? Do some countries not have banana milk ???
>>916 definitely not at any supermarket i've been to. where is this a thing? in what countries?
>>917 In Australia you can find it in pretty much any big grocery store although it’s not as common as other flavours. You can get it as flavoured milk like normal or as powder that you mix at home (Nesquik). Or when I was a kid I would drink these milk flavouring straws called Sipahh straws. Honesty almost everyone I know hates it
>>1004 Agree and disagree, cause white is a bullshit and artificial term that has no real meaning, there is no universal white culture or white history I have dated men from Austria, Germany and Italy and the difference between them was night and day, overall I most preferred men from Austria and Northern Germany in the way they treated me, even in terms of American men, I prefer "white" men from the midwest and Mid-Atlantic
>>1004 You know, I'm starting to think there are a few scrotes wandering around here in hopes of baiting us, and I REALLY don't want to be the one screeching "scrote!!!!" at every post but... yeah. This is just racebaiting at this point.
>>1014 I think it makes sense to be on our toes. You're probably not wrong. Doesn't seem to work though because anons give pretty measured and life informed responses back to even quasi baity stuff.
>>1014 Yeah I just read that post, guess I missed it. If people are going to bring up race in posts at least clarify why, talking about how men from certain cultures/races treat their women or women from different races is fine but if you're just going to say "white men are better" without anything else about how it relates to women, it is going to smell like bait. Anon, if you're serious, keep it in mind for next time you post.
>>1006 Wasn't "white" a term invented by anglos? And even then, it was a very narrow concept that has been broadening ever since, especially if you look at the history of whiteness in America, where Southern and Eastern European were not considered white at the time, and now they do, so is not impossible to imagine more groups of people will be considered white in a close future.
>>959 I'm in the states and I only see banana milk in asian grocery stores. >>833 based and marxistpilled
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>>959 >Honesty almost everyone I know hates it Whaaat? I used to love banana milk, even more than strawberry, lol. Pic related was the shit.
>>1052 Yeah about that... https://blackcommentator.com/138/138_whiteness.html The differing situations of the Chinese and the Japanese in apartheid South Africa are also interesting.
>>1057 >the racialized discrimination and nativism that different European ethnic groups faced before they eventually became socially accepted by Anglos and then later by a more expansive pan-European race simply known as “white.” In Europe this is still the case. I think the American view of race is a unique psychosis brought about by an absence of any cultural identity amongst mixed race immigrants (race in this sentence meaning things like Polish German Italian, not black/white)
>>1064 For all its cosmopolitanism, the only countries in Europe where you can kind of integrate and be slightly accepted as a non-white are the UK (like other Anglo countries) and France.
The cultural acceptance (and expectation) of wearing high heels needs to die already, just like foot binding did. Shit sounds so archaic when you really think about the pain and health risks of wearing them, like it should be a bizzare historical factoid, not a common practice in the 21st century.
>>1066 I agree, but honestly, a lot of sport shoes are almost as bad, along with fashion sneakers. Narrow toeboxes make no sense. High heels are definitely exceptionally harmful and stupid, but all shoes need serious reform, just saying.
>>1053 Yeah, I heard it's not as common in the US. Sorry your nation just isn't as progressive as ours Just jokes, mate >>1055 Same! I love you, fellow banana milk Anon! I don't even know why people dislike it so much, especially when they say it's gross but then go and drink choc mint or smth lol
>>711 very tru but she does have some worrying political opinions
"Pick me" is not only about women and men, it's about anybody who chooses to follow certain rules even if they disagree with them/are not necessarily a fan of them, and not challenge them because the have no backbone.
>>1275 Really, what does she believe? I actually don't know much about her.
>>1335 Pickme has a specific meaning for women who are male-aligned. Bootlicker or coward are terms you're looking for.
>>1335 Chesterton's fence: In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it."
>>1339 what does this have to do with anon's post? >>1335 there's a lot that i disagree with that i unfortunately have to follow along with, though i try to make my objections known when possible, but one of the worst things about bootlickers isn't necessarily always the rule following - it's more the refusal to question or make their objections known at all, even when the only thing on the line is a usually useless social tie, not even their financial security. more often than not though, they are enthusiastic about getting fucked up the ass 12 different ways to sunday, though, and that's the worst. the genuine enthusiasm.
I'm tired of hearing hetfems complain about their boyfriends, and I don't think it's "victim blaming" to not care when their boyfriends end up being shitbags. I think a lot of them keep dating men so they have something to complain about.
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Missionaries need to be banned from Africa. (Posted this in the wrong thread at first, like a retard)
Guys who have rape fetishes are powerless and weak. They're so worthless as mates that they understand that any attempt to signal their desirability is doomed to fail. Their only chance is to force themselves on women, or use other methods to coerce them into reproduction. It's the cry of a walking genetic failure who needs to have his entire lineage die with him. Unsurprisingly, many men are biologically unfit, and shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Porn is rape on tape. If a husband or boyfriend loves it, and the realization that it's rape hasn't made his stomach turn at the very idea of it, it's not just him being an empathy-lacking coomer, it's him secretly knowing and accepting that he is biologically worthless, and he's just lucky enough to have fooled you into thinking he isn't.
>>1387 are we going to drag the hetfem vs. lesbian and celibate separatist shit here as well because i am not fucking ready for it.
>>1387 i don't mind them complaining at all. it's better than them not-my-nigeling all over the place. i like to think that the more complaints and feedback from sane people, the more it brings them closer to letting go. you have to remember that even if they know, intuitively, that these men are awful, their families, their friends, even, and just society in general, all of them are very invested in trying to make women second guess themselves and have no confidence in their feelings. it's not like these women have a sounding board outside of obscure online communities to get advice that prioritizes their safety and happiness. everyone outside of communities like this tells them to sacrifice themselves for these dead-end losers and that they'll be nothing without them, every day.
>>1395 All of this. Women are routinely gaslit and told they are the problem. It's better for them to complain, because it brings them a step closer to breaking the conditioning. Sometimes, all they need is a little support, reassaurance that they're not the ones at fault. I can see how it'd be annoying to hear for women who aren't straight, and women who've remained alone, but I think empathy is important.
>>1391 >Guys who have rape fetishes are powerless and weak. As opposed to the actual rapists? Because that's the history of humanity right there. Nature doesn't care about made up human definitions of biologically unfit. https://notcisjustwoman.tumblr.com/post/140064290944/universalequalityisinevitable-robert-sapolsky
>>1400 >As opposed to actual rapists? What's the point of separating the two? Rapists enjoy rape, they are counted as fetishists, kek. Also, you just explained what I'm getting at: Pathetic, low-quality, biologically unfit men breeding, creating more low-quality men in turn. And then you linked to the solution (removal and replacement). What point are you even trying to make?
>>1402 >What's the point of separating the two? I have had violent fantasies about murdering people, that doesn't make me a murderer. Even if I were to be an edgelord who posted that shit all over social media rather than keeping it to myself except on anon or people who know all of my dirty secrets, that what make me totally obnoxious and not worth anyone sane's time, but not a murderer. Same goes for rapists, we can shun and ostracise any male with rape fantasies but the actual rapists should be rotting in actual jail.
>>1403 i mean, yes, but men are too much of a liability to just wait on them to offend and ruin lives. i don't care about their liberty when they're out here living to destroy the lives of women, children, and animals. they live to destroy. and in many cases, they do offend, but women believe they haven't been raped or pressured into "submission". the male fantasists should be sent to labor camps, not allowed to sit on their hairy-asses jerking off to increasingly abusive and violent pornography. and what's with the link about how reform isn't possible without their removal, and then downplaying the seriousness of letting would-be rapists run around sharing violent and abusive sexualized materials, infecting other men and male children with their disgusting, life ruining fantasies?
>>1403 So, you came to defend men who want to rape women out of some sense of solidarity because “Well sometimes I want to murder”? That’s just embarrassing, anon. Some shit I’d expect to read from an underageb& “fembot” on /r9k/ who wants the boys to like her, or a lost Redditor. Also, murder can be justified, depending on the person. Rape can never be justified. Men’s freedom and their feelings aren't as important as women and children’s safety, either. Anyone who’s looked at crime statistics and is honest with themselves will agree.
I'm mildly annoyed by the possibility that all this push for 'inclusivity & diversity' is going to result in less hot white guys being cast as leads in my fun escapism entertainment...
>>1403 >I've had fantasies about molesting children but I'm a pedophile not a child molester This logic makes no sense. Splitting hairs on this sort of stuff is fucking retarded, anon.
>>1408 I thought companies only pretended to care and casted nonwhite actors as supporting cast members. Hopefully, you are not deprived of white male lead husbandos.
Minimalism is ugly except for when you want to clean
>>1430 no it's beautiful so when you die your loved ones don't have too much shit to go through
>>1431 but at its heart, it's actually a luxury good and is pretty impractical. i have so many tools, home repair equipment, items for general maintenance, i couldn't possibly imagine paying a premium for services every time something comes up, and being reliant on someone else and their time, when i'm in a bind. i can't possibly declutter or pare down on necessary equipment. i guess if you have the money and time to waste, it's ok.
Dominatrix and femdoms are as pathetic as male scrotes, often just as cringe inducing as those soybeard males who want to be called daddy Like BDSM Dom's in general are among some of the most pathetic people in the world
>>1408 i dont find white actors that hot, and those that are hot are so few, you can only count them with your fingers. but whos your top hot white guy actor nonetheless?
>>1624 Nta I don't specially white men but rather cacausian men which includes Afghans, Pakistan's and white Europeans, for e.g I find Seraiki men to be some of the most beautiful men in the world, they have brown skin but also often have colored eyes and brown hair which sometimes matches their skintone and they end up looking very fine. I like Afridi Pashtun men and Slavic men as well cause I feel they have sharp features
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>>1623 I don't see how anything but internalized misogyny can inform this take. Like objectively, save for maybe some enbies, it's impossible for a woman to be as cringy as a man whose life is in shambles and who spends most of his day playing PUBG, wanting to be called daddy and having the gall to order women around like he's some kind of king. You'd be very hard pressed to find a woman who can drum up the levels of cringe that men can. On some level, the subversiveness objectively makes it less cringe somehow.
>>1654 Don't try to defend degeneracy, I hate and any all disgusting porn sick losers who try to make their fetish part of their identity
>>1654 Imo if there's anything lolcow dot farm taught me is that femdoms can be almost as crazy as male doms sometimes. They're obviously not worse but when I criticize BDSM or abusive kinks in general I mean all of it. I don't compartmentalize sex from the rest of the relationship, and being a sub is synonymous with self-harm to me. Doms take advantage of people with low self-esteem.
>>1697 Domme development is not typically borne out of pornsickness. That's not what's happening there, if you sincerely observe them. It's clearly more theatrical for women and less purely sexually motivated on average. >>1698 Lol, anon, "sub" men don't have low self esteem. It's not the same as sub women. You can't compare women and their pressures, the way male expectations affect their actions and expressions, etc, to men and their fetishes.
>>1699 >Domme development is not typically borne out of pornsickness. That's not what's happening there, if you sincerely observe them. It's clearly more theatrical for women and less purely sexually motivated on average Please for the love of Asherah don't try to defend degeneracy
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>>1700 Calling it like I see it is not "defending degeneracy". Yes, it's weird, but nowhere near as cringy or contemptible. Women take on more cues from men and a more literally active role in sex and intimacy due to male expectations, and that involves a lot of play-acting and performance. I think the fact that it gives the illusion of turning typical roles on their head can be psychologically appealing to some women. I think the development of these identities for women is much more complicated than people would like to think. Men don't feel this very specific type of pressure or influence, at least not to anywhere near the extent that women do. Men are acting on genuine sexual interest and pornsickness, not years and years of inescapable and pervasive cultural and social conditioning that teaches them to oblige women, nor are they often motivated by the prospect of the illusion of control after being forever deprived of autonomy and dignity, particularly in the sexual realm. They're much more free to explore their interests, where women aren't, and that's why dommes are so uncommon.
>>1704 Alright then what's your opinion on vanilla romance novels as well, that are more popular then any type of bdsm trash
>>1705 Not sure what your point is here. Vanilla romance novels reinforce the damsel in distress and rescuer roles, where women are again generally and sexually unempowered and are fed the sub/dom roles, but on a soft scale. This all plays into the development of women's romantic and sexual expression, all of it. Again, this is part of the reason why female "subs" are so popular. The writers of these books are also influenced by larger expectations and imposing social structures. I don't think the female readers of these books are usually "pornsick" though, either.
>>1707 Have you ever even read these books, while there are plenty of bad Dom/monster ones from the 80s, there are many good ones featuring smart, intelligent, strong women and actually likeable male characters There's no BDSM or the man taking the woman by force, but rather a healthy relationship and some tasteful sex scenes, sure they are not aways perfect and kinda samey but I feel they get unnecessarily get shit on by everyone, I'm seeing libfems shit on them saying that male characters are to buff and likeable for real men to live up to and it sets a toxic standard, I feel all the dom ones deserve to burned In the fire but the nice romance story between a Victorian farm hand and shy girl who devolep mutual affection for each other and have a healthy relationship isn't gonna set up toxic standards
>>1709 > Victorian farm hand kek, no one's writing or reading those. readers want hot rich men in their stories
>>1719 I avoid the rich billionaire ones cause they often fall into the monster/BDSM category, the Doctor romance series is as far as I go in terms of wealth
>>1709 A victorian farmhand and a shy female main character still reinforces what I was referencing. That's a generally, or at least, comparatively sexually unempowered character. Like I said, it's not encouraging explicit dom/sub shit, but typical gender roles. Female sub/male dom shit is just gender role garbage taken to the extreme. Softer versions of this, to me, is almost just a potential gateway, given that harder stuff is a lot more common in media and men prefer it by a longshot and women know that. That's why women are taking it upon themselves to play-act these roles for men without being necessarily asked, acting like 'soft' ddlg is part of their identity, etc. The expectations are there and are molding the way girls and women act, their 'preferences', and their sexual expression. And a character, or any person, for that matter, can be professionally or otherwise competent and relatively independen/strong, but still submissive in bed. I've had a number of guys tell me straight-up that women toooottally have this extreme desire to indulge themselves by being submissive in bed, BECAUSE they are independent and competent outside of bed. There's this idea of "letting loose" by indulging in some bullshit evo psych roleplay, and it's commonly accepted by both men and women. I believe all of these things do subconsciously shape women's sexual interests, or at least their actions and their claims.
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>>1722 You do know the sex is mainly just vanilla sex, oral(for the female mc) and cuddling right, like iti said avoid any and all bdsm ones and there really aren't that many of them I just want to fantasize about nice attractive men cause real men are shit
>>1723 Nitpick but this v photoshopped pic is hilarious to me. I love that she's wearing a very formal taffeta dress (why) in a random field and he's wearing dress pants/business slacks with no shirt in a field, while looking extremely out of place, not even acknowledging her. Read what you want, anon. No one is stopping you, and of course, it's better to imagine about a 'nice' guy in a novel than be unappreciated and mistreated by actual men. I'm just saying, all of these little things influence women. But back to the original topic, which is that imo, dommes just aren't as cringy as doms, mainly because their roleplay typically is more theatrical and not really all that genuinely sexually motivated when compared to doms.
>>1725 I honestly love it though, like there are so many random instances for men to randomly be shirtless and I love it, I read cause the men in those books are actually nice and caring and know how to make a woman cum despite being virgins In the story
>>1726 Kek, I personally don't get the muscled up shirtless man aesthetic, but if this is what does it for you, you do you. I don't think these hot hero farmhand books are hugely harmful, especially if we consider how fucked most sexual media actually is. I just think most of this type of erotica is centered around the same kind of thing: mostly unassertive woman being adored and rescued by a manly man with a shirt allergy, which doesn't challenge gender roles, is all I'm saying.
>>1728 I agree with your last point that it doesn't challenge conventional gender roles and aren't radical in anyway but compared to libfem sex positive media or pornsick male media then it's far far better
Speaking of which, I fucking cringe at heterosexual couples who feel the need to parade and perform such gender roles and stereotypes to everyone Like I've seen girls on social media who think it's fucking ~quirky~ and cute when their boyfriends don't know how to cook and they serve them a half-assed inedible looking sandwich or when their boyfriends act like they don't know how fucking lipstick works in one of those Boyfriend Does My Make Up challenges, and I could even go on with more examples. I swear, most heterosexual relationships I've seen even outside media is so damn performative.
>>1731 Yeah I also hate those self described "smol" girls on Twitter who have to emphasize how small and helpless they are and how big their bfs are It's cringy and self deprecating, also it's worse when the smol girl and tall boy are actually just average, like sorry your bf is 5"10 and your 5'5, that's literally just the average
"WAP" by Cardi B and Megan Thee Stalion is a utterly disgusting and vile and I do not understand how literally any feminist can defend this garbage Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for black women getting paid, but why are most of the visible bw music stars twerking/busting it open on stage? it reinforces the hypersexualisation of black women that has existed since slave days. can anyone think of cute Taylor swift like black girls who sing about love or friendship but apparently its now being brought up as the epitome of female empowerment https://www.complex.com/music/2020/08/cardi-b-megan-thee-stallion-wap-essay
>>2028 it's really, really bad. the video is truly awful. i wouldn't mind the song so much if it just was about being wet and like, cunnilingus or something, but some of the most memorable lyrics are about sucking dick, being tied up, etc. honestly to make matters so much worse, the song is horrible. not even considering the lyrics, it's absolutely unlistenable. sucks because i do think megan thee stallion is talented. i don't know why anyone even though to make it a single. it's not even hook-y. that article is insane and ridiculous btw. i didn't know people were trying that hard to pretend it's meaningful. the only positive thing that came from it is seeing ben shapiro being non-stop roasted for criticizing it. tho his few comments about how it spits in the face of feminism are right, not that he cares about feminism or wants women to be liberated at all, however.
>>2031 Like Jesus Christ I really don't wanna agree with Ben Shapiro but he is right that its too vulgar and degenerate but Candace Owens(someone else who I don't wanna agree with) talked about the song from the perspective of a black woman and how it just doesn't objectify black women it bestializes.them making them to be animals
>>2028 WAP = Whack Ass Pickmeishas
>>2028 >>2032 whats worse is cardi b her self ins't really black. she's a multiracial woman when it's convenient for her to do so, but plays up this "Black" stereotype, simply because she comes from an impoverished, inner-city background, and then everyone starts calling her Black. Newsflash people! Just because one is "ghetto" or "ratchet", not to mention racially ambiguous, doesn't automatically make one Black! She's called dark skinned black women roaches and monkeys.and called Candace Owens a race traitor and a white mans whore and yeah there a million things wrong with Candace Owens but she is actually a black woman and seems to be in healthy relationship
>>2038 wow, i had no clue there were so many receipts of cardi b calling black women 'roaches', wtf. i thought she was funny and kind of likable in a dumb way and she was honest about the "robbing" potential punters in order to survive, which was cool imo. that's a little disappointing. it is so weird considering she seems to avoid admitting she isn't really black and seems to be profiting off of that assumption. a lot of people are wrongly referring to her as black in relation to this WAP fiasco, apparently.
>>2038 >race traitor Ugly and below the belt. >white man's whore This is entirely accurate. You don't have a shred of credibility when you've sold out to the male white right. It's the same with supposedly pro-Asian women criticizing Asian men while being married to white guys. We get it: y'all hate yourselves even more than the guys hate themselves (looking at you AsianMasc).
>>2045 the comment had less to do with her politics and more due to the fact that she was married to a white guy, like I disagree with her politics but her relationship seems genuine, cardi (who is reminder again not black) making comments on how owens she can't handle a black man or about her marriage life when the debate was about politics is disrespectful and uncalled for
>>2028 I wish it could just be treated like another stupid ass party song but everything that women do has to be politicized somehow. I guess that's what happens when mainstream feminism makes female liberation all about choice and sexual availability to men uwu.
>>2048 Also I just listened to the full thing (I've only heard snippets before) and the other anons are right, the song is pretty bad tbh. It isn't catchy or has a distinct melody, and has too many lyrics that reference BDSM. I need to cleanse myself by listening to Not Tonight by Lil Kim. That's a real feminist sex anthem.
>>703 Thank you so much I fucking hate that moid
White women are hypocrites. you all voted 55% for the orange retard. An increase in 3% from 2016. This is why feminism doesn't go far with white women, they pushed it only because they wanted a cut of the racism pie while minority women get fucked over. You all had your chance with Hillary and rejected her. We had our chance with Kamala and we embraced her. This is why I keep white feminists at a 6 feet length. Never trustworthy.
>>2454 Not too sperg too much or cause an unnecessary argument, but there is too much of a conflation of the different types of white women. A meme that I have always been annoyed with is when people (woke woc types) would use the "53%" against the libfemmy type of white women. It was a super popular phrase during the women's march when the orange retard was first elected. There probably was a subset of white women who LARP as progressive who secretly were a part of the 53%, but I really do not think that subset is large enough to be a problem. That is not to say that racist feminists don't exist, they absolutely do exist but generally not in the "secretly voted for Trump" kind of way. The reality here is that based off of the exit polls the majority of white women that voted are full-on conservative and these women would more likely rather die than identify with feminism. Some of these women are hell-bent on their pro-life agenda, a lot of them are racist or clearly fine with overt racism from a president because of a single-issue (like abortion), some of it is because they will blindly back any republican no matter how retarded he is (those commie dems!!11)..etc. I don't know the full complexities of whatever is going on in their heads, but I do know that the majority would most likely never identify with feminism. Another thing to think about is why women who voted dem overall vote the way they do. A lot of the times they do not necessarily identify as feminists. They could be the world's biggest handmaidens and still vote dem because republicans are overly racist. I know a lot of older POC in general, despite being socially conservative, would never vote for republicans because of the overt racism from the party overall. If we're talking about voting habits from either sides, a lot of people unfortunately do not have complex, well-thought out reasons for why they vote for who they did. I do agree with you on the fact that white women (feminist or not) will reap the benefits of feminism while directly or indirectly maintaining racism and white patriarchy in the United States. I hope this made sense lol.
>>2454 >>2455 If that percentage comes from an exit poll (already notoriously skewed), it's going to be insanely skewed seeing as most that voted for this psychopath in person were literally all conservatives. But yeah, white women (and men) are selfish, nasty, and terrible at not fucking themselves and everyone else, over. Based on past elections, however, it has shown that white people definitely do want America to be a failed state and that minority voters are primarily the ones who have done the legwork with their vote, in order to prevent that from happening, literally.
>>2454 >WHITE WOMAN = EVIL CONSERVATIVE RACIST >UNLESS YOU SPECIFICALLY VOTE FOR A WHITE MAN'S PARTY WE TELL YOU TO VOTE FOR You need to get out of US sometimes. Just go for a week to the subcontinent for a week after 'rona, or turkey, or thailand, wherever there are cheap tours, take a break from US and it's specific issues. I'm sure the majority women here are happy to discuss radical politics and perks of Biden's policies for the black population over trump. Or you could go to my flyshittown in eastern europe and tell every white privileged bitch of every nationality you meet how she's racist for never seeing a black person IRL and probably voting trump if there was any voting here. It's ok, they and their serf ancestors must be ashamed of litelally being evil colonizers. They deserve their 3rd world living conditions and abysmal violence rates.
>>2458 You sound insane.
>>2459 Why, I thought you distrust all white women? There's plenty of white women outside of the USA and they don't even have every other demograhics, including liberal white men, to tell them it's their fault we dont live in hippy paradise. Don't they need to know their place?
>>2460 There was an implicit reference to AMERICAN white women in that anon’s rant considering she was discussing the elections that recently occurred. I don’t fully agree with her train of thought but you are being retarded on purpose.
>>2460 This is an Americentric conversation. You're a moron to even get this offended that people recognize that a majority of white women vote like absolute dogshit. Stay out of conversations about America if you can't control your narcissism and must insert yourself into our conversation over our very particular politics and racial issues. You also sound like a man that thinks he's getting white genocided that's trying really hard (and failing) to pretend he's a woman, btw.
>>2458 >Or you could go to my flyshittown in eastern europe and tell every white privileged bitch of every nationality you meet how she's racist for never seeing a black person IRL and probably voting trump if there was any voting here You know that most women here would vote for Trump if they were American so kek.
>>2467 So would most women of every other nationality in that part of the planet. So would most women in non-white countries. Most women aren't liberal or left. Most women would rather eat a ball of snot than identify as feminists even if they agree with certain points and aren't actively ruining lives of other women and girls. Not because they have any thought out understanding of right-wing positions, but because an utter lack of understanding and interest in politics is a marker of a normal patriarchal woman. If anything, avid tradthots like Phyllis Schlaffy of any ages are treated as an abberation more than anything. It's just not a thing that for men and women of the same demographics to have a different majority choice. White men chose trump, so white women chose trump. Black men chose biden, so black women chose biden. Did black men choose bad-touch-uncle biden because it is more feminist? Oh fuck no, black men chose a better deal for black men. Will the baiter above cut out all the black men in her life and keep them 6ft away? lol fuck no. Did most black women choose biden because he is better for women or for POC? And by the way, haven't you seen russian girls virtue signalling for BLM and against cultural appropriation in USA lately, in the russian interners? Same russian girls never give a fuck about any plight in their own country and look down on working class women of any nationality. Because they identify with their liberal circle and males from their liberal circle more that any other group. These cargo cultists would surely choose biden if only they could and they shill for him online. Problem is, they are hardly feminist and never spoke to a black person before.
>>2469 actually untrue. there's actually a somewhat sizeable difference in who hispanic women and men support and the way they vote.
>>2469 >Most women aren't liberal or left. Most people are liberals and liberalism is not left wing
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>>2476 That is not true even in America. But most people are not staunch conservatives either.


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