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pickmes, handmaids & tradthots Anonymous 04/23/2020 (Thu) 00:18:56 No. 17 [Reply] [Last]
a pickme is a woman, often with low self esteem, who parrots so called "skeptic"/anti sjw/anti feminist rhetoric in the hopes of gaining male attention and male followers and in order to seem edgy. there are different kinds of pickmes; some are conservative tradthots while some have libfem views and use their hypersexuality to pander to men. the things they all have in common though is that pretty much all of them think they're "not like other girls" and are desperate for male attention.
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>>390 It's not that we shouldn't have common ground with libfems, we absolutely should. I brought up libfems because they are the ones who are essentially the "representatives" of the current wave of feminism and have been pushing "better representation in video games" for a while. They have presented this in the nicest, most palatable way possible and yet. And yet this scrote still came into our board and had an outdated 4-year-old gamergate meltdown in this thread. He has hit his expiration date for learning about this topic. He is just retarded and should maybe receive mockery at most.
>>392 I chuckled, anon. True.
No sympathy for pickmes at all. You can fix ignorance and lack of awareness but you can not fix a massively flawed character and lack of values and any dignity as a human being
>>462 >you can not fix a massively flawed character Careful there, you're trading in biological determinism.
>>463 This has absolutely nothing to do with biological determinism lol. Their characters can have become flawed for several reasons and I don't think any of them is biological, but you can simply not discuss with these people or try to teach them things cause they are not interestee on actually thinking about the subject. They only use it as a way of self promotion and gaining benefit and it doesn't matter what makes sense and and what doesn't, they will say whatever is gonna get them approval of men

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Anonymous 09/17/2020 (Thu) 16:59:41 No. 432 [Reply] [Last]
Thoughts on Accelerationist XenoFeminism?
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>>443 >It always seemed like transhumanism and transgender rights activism had nothing to do with each other It always seemed like they did actually. Look up Martine Rothblatt I'm personally not against transhumanism per se but against the many ways in which it can take place. Also, as long as humans exist there are only 2 sexes and you can not change yours and attempting it must be made illegal
What is needed are genetically engineered designer babies who are both Stacey's and crucially not pickmes.
>>447 I mean Im not into super transhumanism, but I sorta like the idea of gene suppression and picking the best genes of you and partner for your future child, if I could I'd have suppress the shors genes and the bipolarism that runs in my family for my future daughter or son Sorta like gattica https://youtu.be/PaYoa985poA
>>438 >0x00 Ours is a world in vertigo. It is a world that swarms with technological mediation, interlacing our daily lives with abstraction, virtuality, and complexity. Right off the bat, you just know this is some tranny shit. This is starting off like someone's lame sci-fi story, and we know how much trannies love that kind of thing. >Anyone who's been deemed 'unnatural' in the face of reigning biological norms, anyone who's experienced injustices wrought in the name of natural order, will realize that the glorification of 'nature' has nothing to offer us -- the queer and trans among us, the differently-abled, as well as those who have suffered discrimination due to pregnancy or duties connected to child-rearing. "The queer and trans", lmao. Notice how those two groups come directly before women who suffer sex/reproductive based discrimination. This person is afraid to say "women" in the context of oppression.
>>467 "..Anyone who's been deemed 'unnatural' in the face of reigning biological norms, anyone who's experienced injustices wrought in the name of natural order, will realize that the glorification of 'nature' has nothing to offer us -- the queer and trans among us.." My eyes are bleeding after reading this

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Anonymous 08/26/2020 (Wed) 22:27:02 No. 355 [Reply] [Last]
Friendly reminder that this is what "sex work is work" advocates for.
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>>465 OF is a microcosm. If too many financially desperate women all attempt to chase the bag you'll get similar results. And again, that isn't even mentioning the horror of dealing with clients.
>>464 Well you can't expect a quadriplegic, for example, to stand a chance in an athletic contest Actually there are plenty of examples of attractive and successful women in the industry
Stoked that another anon besides me is here to call out swerfs. >Others are frustrated that privileged women who can choose their clients pretend to speak for all of the industry, when most women want out. These women are the ones we're asking you to respect. By the way, they also do it to survive, just like engineers do engineering to survive, or professional artists make art to survive. Then you say that you support sex workers because you recognise that they are forced into it for survival. They're forced, it's not a choice they made, they wouldn't choose to do that. But you come over as hugely lacking in respect for women who choose to do sex work. >I have to take a lot of care to not come across as a tradcon or make it sound like I'm judging sex works for the same sexist reason other people do. But you do sound like a tradcon. You're all saying 'I respect sex workers as long as they didn't do it on purpose' like okaay it's kind of a gotcha don't you think?
Why even bother replying to the troll? They bring up no examples, reddit space and just spew autistic shit like "have confidence in yourself" when it comes to fucking camgirl nonsense. Literally a >>399 moment.
>>469 >You're all saying 'I respect sex workers as long as they didn't do it on purpose' like okaay it's kind of a gotcha don't you think? That's retarded as fuck. like you can't respect people who make dumb choices? i don't agree with every choice people make. it doesn't mean i don't have respect for them. it's people who habitually make malicious choices that i don't respect, and i think most people who i agree with on this issue are the same way. tradcons genuinely don't respect these women because they think they're dirty. there's a huge difference and anon sounds nothing like a tradcon. these women and girls are conned and plied by society in general and in plenty of cases, directly, by men who stand to make a considerable profit off of them putting their health and safety at risk. i don't not respect vulnerable people who are desperate and conned by Herbalife or whatever MLM into believing their investment and dedication to it will afford them a better life. wanting these people to be critical of sex work as an industry so as not to contribute to a larger problem or end up harmed (in a multitude of ways) doesn't mean you don't have respect for them. it's also all very convenient, all these women who are actively in sex work, of course, tend to praise it, just as coal miners refuse to let go of their exploitative line of work and resist retraining, even FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY, but many of these women are candid about the emotional, psychological and physical damage they once they leave the industry and have a moment to step back. most people don't even realize the toxicity they'd been mired in until they are removed from harmful situations or environments.

RadFem Art Anonymous 01/19/2020 (Sun) 10:36:12 No. 2 [Reply] [Last]
Do you make RadFem art that you can't post in main because your account will get nuked? Post it here! Also discuss RF artists, the harassment they recieve, and everything in between. Photo: redkatherine
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Not my art, but good. JK Rowling is iconic.
>>161 omg i love the creator of that she's great!
>>161 She's on instagram! She still posts from time to time, wonderful wholesome radfem art. I really like her but lately she's been feeling a bit down. It sucks, I hope she is okay...
>>318 Uhhh, let's not w this
>>170 wow i love this so much!

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Anonymous 08/27/2020 (Thu) 00:58:14 No. 360 [Reply] [Last]
>central figure in the early development of radical feminism and second-wave feminism and a founding member of three radical-feminist groups: New York Radical Women, Redstockings, and New York Radical Feminists >regarded pregnancy and childbirth as "barbaric" (a friend of hers compared labor to "shitting a pumpkin") >believed that "[T]he end goal of feminist revolution must be, unlike that of the first feminist movement, not just the elimination of male privilege but of the sex distinction itself: genital differences between human beings would no longer matter culturally." >urged the emergence of artificial reproduction so reproduction could be completely separated from the female body >schizophrenic I've never read any of her books but after reading her page on wikipedia I had to check again it was about a radfem cause at a point it seemed more like I was reading about a TRA. So basically she wanted the same loony stuff trannies do like "the end of sex distinction" and urged for reproduction to be "completely independent of women"? Plus, how can you claim to be a feminist at the same time you have so much despise for childbirth and pregnancy, when this is our natural biological roles in reproduction?
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>>413 yes anon, i understand that was the original original point, but like another anon said, men have the "have my cake and eat it too" mentality. and my point was that there are serious epidemics of men kidnapping and trafficking women even when there are plenty of women, they will capture and torture them in droves not out of "necessity". so like >>405 says, these indian men are not sitting around super preoccupied with the thought about how their actions have affected them 30 years later, and how to avoid this in future - they still want to harm, rape women to the point of death, and still encourage this culture, even when they're facing a shortage of women. anon said "if the Chinese and Indians didn't know they massively fucked up with cultural son preferences they wouldn't be trafficking in impoverished women from countries like Nepal" and it's just not true that they wouldn't be doing just that, even just to avoid the "masculinization" of their women, etc. if men really were concerned about the implications of their behavior and realize it, shit would be different in how they treat women. obviously they don't want to quit mistreating or gangraping them to the point of death them despite facing a serious shortage of them. that's not to say the trafficking problem isn't worsened by the effects of their sexism, but to say it wouldn't be happening at all is a little presumptuous given we know they traffick for fun whenever it's easy to exploit impoverished women and girls.
>>420 >>420 >"if the Chinese and Indians didn't know they massively fucked up with cultural son preferences they wouldn't be trafficking in impoverished women from countries like Nepal" and it's just not true that they wouldn't be doing just that, even just to avoid the "masculinization" of their women, etc. It didn't say that men wouldn't be trafficking women at all. It said that they wouldn't be trafficking *more* women from other countries. God you dumbasses love arguing against strawmans.
>>427 >It didn't say that men wouldn't be trafficking women at all. It said that they wouldn't be trafficking *more* women from other countries. So where do you see that here? >>404 >Btw if the Chinese and Indians didn't know that they massively fucked up with cultural son preference, they wouldn't be trafficking in impoverished women from countries like Nepal. Because that's literally all that was said. And your unnecessarily aggressive and condescending tone is really annoying.
>>428 >Because that's literally all that was said. Correct, that's all that was said, so to argue as if it said that trafficking would *never* occur otherwise is a straw man. The statement and follow up posts only highlight that trafficking has increased due to the circumstances surrounding China's one child policy and son preference, not that trafficking never happens elsewhere or that some trafficking wouldn't happen in China for other reasons. Respond to what is said, not what you made up in your head lol. >And your unnecessarily aggressive and condescending tone is really annoying. And I find the misrepresentation of arguments in order to needlessly debate petty shit really annoying. Maybe I should expect that from people on the internet though, the same way you should expect to see aggressiveness on image boards.
>>429 anon, when i said "at all" i didn't mean that anon was in effect saying there literally would be 0 cases, but that there wouldn't be what would be classed as a real "problem". as i said, we know men traffick and exploit women and girls whenever possible and for whatever reason. just because they're doing so with nepali girls and women doesn't actually mean they're cognizant and remorseful of their actions and will seek to not make those mistakes again because (and it isn't just in countries with legalized prostitution) they will literally exploit impoverished women and girls and they do treat them as chattel whenever possible. idk why you're trying to complicate this. them trafficking impoverished girls is not indicative of them being fully aware, though it is likely worsened by their retarded culture. it happens in slavic countries like mad. and the tone you think is so normalized on other imageboards isn't really so present on here.

Am I still sexist? Anonymous 06/20/2020 (Sat) 22:31:00 No. 137 [Reply] [Last]
Sometimes I think a great portion of my fellow radfems throw around the word "rape" and "harassment" too loosely and say they are traumatized of something like a guy catcalled her on the streets. (Female objectification is one of our biggest problems but I don't think this is going to be affective on ending it). I think some them pass exaggerated feelings of vulnerability
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>>351 ...When you legally allow something, even if it is something very controvertial, it becomes normalized eventually. In the long term desensitized people might not have that much trouble with opting to abort 6 months old babies for reasons other than that their lives are at risk
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>>352 >>351 Fetuses can be anesthetized. And if either of you are willing to adopt these fetuses that will grow to be children, en masse, then sure, put your money where your mouth is and make sure you have thousands of other people willing and able to care for these kids. Until there's more than enough proof that these children have guaranteed safety and security, it's best that people who are so committed to not having a child at this stage, despite how invasive it is and without the risk of death, NOT HAVE THEM for the safety of the future child. Some of these people are extremely mentally and psychologically unfit, etc. There's no safety net for these children. Condemning these kids to a life with negligent and/or abusive parents or a life knowing they are unwanted and are at the mercy of others and that they don't have real, lifelong advocates, is reprehensible, and is nothing but an attempt to soothe your own emotions at the expense of these kids. And no, when you "legally allow something", specifically in the case of a procedure that is unnecessarily dangerous and invasive, that isn't true. 91% of abortions are still performed before 13 weeks despite women in most states being able to abort until 20 weeks, if not later when it comes to viability and no limitation states.
>>354 None of what you said justifies why aborting at 20 or 24 weeks of pregnancy should be allowed in cases where the mother's life is not at risk. I'm totally in favor of mothers aborting kids they don't want, but come on, you have enough time to make your decision before the fetus is capable of feeling pain and is about to born
>>356 How? I literally just said there are women and girls who get pregnant who are not mentally or psychologically capable and they don't realize it until much later on and until shit gets really real, etc. There are cases where girls and women think they can handle a child or that they are ready for them, but either through abandonment of the father, or domestic violence, or financial insecurity, etc, they realize it's actually a terrible and dangerous idea. People overestimate their abilities and they overestimate how prepared their environment is for a child. Again, the ability to have an abortion later is there for plenty of women and girls and yet we're still seeing upwards of 90% of them performed before 13 weeks. And there seriously are plenty of cases where men have convinced the women in their lives that they really want these children or they goad these women into believing that they can swing it, but realize much later on that they want nothing to do with these children. Shann'an Watts and Laci Peterson come to mind, and they were murdered due to the fact that these men realized they wanted no involvement despite initially thinking that they did. A lot of men actually first begin cheating when their wives become pregnant, become abusive, etc, because they also overestimate their interest in having a family, responsibilities, their abilities, and realize that they don't want children. It's not just women choosing, I'm sure in a number of cases it'd come down to their circumstances drastically changing for the worst out of nowhere, too. Again, fetuses can be anesthetized and pain wouldn't really be a factor. The very, very few women that might do it just as form of birth control, essentially, absolutely SHOULD NOT be parents, and you're more than likely dooming these children to a waking nightmare of a life if they do become parents. You've offered no real response to the fact that fetal anesthesia can be administered, nor have you acknowledged the stark truth that there would be no safety net for these children anyhow.
>>359 I don't know exactly how fetal anesthesia work in these cases but I just... I don't see why make it legal to abort almost new born fetuses when the mothers have no risk of dying at labor and they had enough time to make this decision. According to your arguments, should we also allow it that a mother kills a new born or a 1yo baby if she is not mentally or psychologically capable of dealing with them but hadn't realized it until much later on?

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Literature On Women Anonymous 01/19/2020 (Sun) 19:41:51 No. 6 [Reply] [Last]
ITT: We discuss literature related to women's history, our place in societies/cultures/religions, etc. To start, has anyone read "Who Cooked The Last Supper?" by Rosalind Miles? It goes into detail on women's history, as well as our suppression through the ages. It's been widely lauded as essential feminist reading. I've only just started reading it myself, but I'd really like to share and discuss it with other anons. Here's a pdf: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BaDaMOny7JkPkymTHCCGIJPlH2JR-S55/view Feel free to share any other books (or even articles) you've read on this topic!
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https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000108568415&view=1up&seq=126 Kill The Enemy By Lieutenant Lyudmila Pavlichenko More confirmed kills than the navy seal copypasta.
What are the best radfem works to start with?
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>>333 "Right wing women" by Dworkin is a go-to when you ask this question usually. I would recommend Graham's "Loving to survive". but I'm not sure if it's considered problematique nowadays. "Why does he do that" and "The cinderella complex" are too a good intro into why we are so fucked in a man's world. Sheila Jeffreys: "Industrial vagina" about the bigger picture with "sex work" "The Spinster and her enemies", "Unpacking queer politics", "Lesbian Heresy" about attack on women's sexual freedom from male left and right I would also recommend Valerie Solanas's play that never came to be, "Up You Ass". Not theory, but hilarious.
>>333 I can send you a bunch of PDFs if you want too
>>334 thank you for the list, i've heard right-wing women too but wanted to see if anything else came up! >>335 i got the pdfs just not sure what to start with thank you though!

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Dysphoric Female General Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 21:30:28 No. 162 [Reply] [Last]
Does anyone else suffer from dysphoria? How do you cope with it through radfem lenses? I have pretty intense body dysphoria since puberty and have a very hateful relationship with my female body, ironically enough i never indentified as a troon because i also did not want male characteristics, wanting to be a pre-pubescent genderless enby was my dream. I've been considering either a mastectomy or drastic breast reduction for a while now because my breasts bring me the most discomfort, but now being exposed to gender critical theory made me wonder if there any other ways of diminishing the issue.
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>>174 Yeah not really.... This is mostly about social dysphoria and feeling uncomfortable with words and such, which is a problem for most trans-indentified women but not me.
I do, but mine is from my uterus. Just the reminder that it's there is enough to make me anxious, and seeing a pregnant woman or baby makes it even worse. I wish i could get my tubes tied or just take the whole thing out. It would make my life a lot less stressful and i would not have this fear aways at the back of my head. I even avoid shows or books having to deal with pregnancy or anything uterus related like periods, PCOS or endometriosis.
>>174 Side note: can we stop with the amp links already? These are vile.
I don't have dysphoria per say, but what I have is body dysmorphia. Body dysmorphia affects me in numerous ways. I'm scared of going out of the house (besides walks and my workplace) because I'm afraid people that I highly dislike will see me and laugh at me because I think I'm ugly, fat, boobs are too small, too hairy, or very puny and not muscular. I look at myself and all I see is a monster in the mirror. I see not only one specific flaw, but numerous flaws in my body. I go from shaving all of my body hair (still have my eyebrows; I just pluck them) to clipping my nails short, but not really short, or putting on makeup to cover up my ugliness. I also pick at my skin at times, because I don't think it should be there. I think what makes it worse is that I'm considered to be overweight and overfat, yet really obese people think I'm "skinny" and anorexics that loathe and obsess over my existence think I'm "morbidly obese" (even said I was SOOOOO fat near my face). Also actual obese people (different ones that actually hate me) said I had a flat chest (not true; I'm a 32d in one brand and a 34b in another, which is 36" bust, and considered average). At the same time, I do think they're too small because other women have like 44" busts, also they tell me I have no muscle whilst having anorexics and obese people claiming they have muscle even though the anorexics are just skeletons and the obese people are just fat. (not trying to be malicious; it's just that they literally are just bones or fat). I just hate having to look at the mirror, and I always avoid pictures because I'm afraid of I'm *insert flaw I have here*. Sorry that this is long, but I also thank you guys for spending the time reading this. /rant
>>162 >wanting to be a pre-pubescent genderless enby was my dream yeah... I want to go back to a simpler time.

Anonymous 07/22/2020 (Wed) 19:20:41 No. 206 [Reply] [Last]
Some radfems are so full of resentment and their crankiness is ridiculous to see. They're petty and ready to throw any woman under the bus if they don't lick their asses and agree with every shit they said. If stays like this we won't go anywhere.
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>>254 This. >>257 And also that bit at the end is part of the reason why the anti-pp anons wanted us gone in the first place lmao. Some of you need therapy not radical feminism, because it's obvious that you aren't in the right mental state to be able to deal with serious topics without spouting insane shit like this.
women can't all be filed under man haters/handmaidens. I don't think the most man hating women in the world could do much damage to men/men-loving women even if they all collaborated (that's a small number compared to men who hate women). I think discussions always hit a dead end when they get reduced to saying women who are focused on broader goals (i.e. involving men) = handmaidens, and radical feminists = middle class white lesbians up in their rich lesbian tower chewing on the entrails of working class men
>>260 Many lesbians get accused of being handmaidens though
>>262 that's my point. any discussion can get shut down by women accusing each other of being handmaidens. at the end of the day it's pointless to accuse someone of something here because we could all be lying about our experiences since this is an anonymous board. I haven't really gotten to a conclusion about this issue or have any suggestions, really. Just half a thought.
>>316 I feel the label handmaiden gets thrown around way to much and we get into rather silly debates on what makes a handmaiden and whose the real feminist It's so fucking dumb and nothing gets accomplished, this isn't just a feminist thing I just think this is a problem with the modern left as a whole

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Anonymous 07/25/2020 (Sat) 00:22:02 No. 218 [Reply] [Last]
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>>291 He did abuse his power and proclaimed his son his political heir (which wasn't common then), and Roma had then to deal with Commodus. Other than that, he was good, yeah.
>>293 I've thought about this before but how could you possibly enforce it. People are going to have sex and that's going to lead to pregnancy so how would you deal with 'unlicensed' pregnancy? All the scenarios I can think of are insane human rights violations.
>>303 Heavily incentivize them not having kids, decentivize having them and they'll at least try to work it out themselves. That'll never happen though, most economies rely too much on cheap labor and need obviously need loads of future adults/children (though good luck getting people to accept immigration in racist countries no matter how it affects the dwindling support for their aging population [looking at you, Japan]) to keep it going. No one cares about improving the living conditions for children, preventing child abuse, and creating happy, sane adults.
>>305 >Heavily incentivize them not having kids, decentivize having them and they'll at least try to work it out themselves. Will also cause lots of deprived children of people who couldn't follow the rules being punished for their parent's mistakes, which also seems to not care about improving the living conditions of children.
>>293 And you trust the big daddy state to do that? Kind of a fast track to totalitarianism. >>301 The only alternative would've been killing his son himself.

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