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Anti-Porn thread #1 Anonymous 01/19/2020 (Sun) 16:04:40 No. 38
Discussion about the harms of porn
Thanks for this thread, OP. I will dump relevant resources, links and images soon. https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/border-patrol-porn-sexual-assault/?tw=pl
10% of adults admit to having an addiction to online pornography (IFR, 2006). In a survey of 63 wives of self-identified sex addicts: - 70% met most criteria for a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder. - 75% discovered evidence of compulsive or addictive sexual behaviors themselves (as opposed to a planned disclosure on the part of a husband). - 71% demonstrated a severe level of functional impairment in major areas of their lives. - Length of marriage at disclosure and number of prior traumatic event exposures were the best predictors increased trauma symptoms. “[M]odern science allows us to understand that the underlying nature of an addiction to pornography is chemically nearly identical to a heroin addiction.” - Dr. Jeffrey Satinovet “Pornography triggers a myriad of endogenous, internal, natural drugs that mimic the ‘high’ from a street drug. Addiction to pornography is addiction to what I dub erototoxins—mind altering drugs produced by the viewer’s own brain.” - Dr. Judith Reisman
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>>44 “I have also seen in my clinical experience that pornography damages the sexual performance of the viewers. Pornography viewers tend to have problems with premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction. Having spent so much time in unnatural sexual experiences with paper, celluloid and cyberspace, they seem to find it difficult to have sex with a real human being. Pornography is raising their expectation and demand for types and amounts of sexual experiences; at the same time it is reducing their ability to experience sex.” – Dr. MaryAnne Layden
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>>45 [At] a gathering of the nation’s divorce lawyers, attendees revealed that 58% of their divorces were a result of a spouse looking at excessive amounts of pornography online. According to the Journal of Adolescent Health, prolonged exposure to pornography leads to: - An exaggerated perception of sexual activity in society - Diminished trust between intimate couples - The abandonment of the hope of sexual monogamy - Belief that promiscuity is the natural state - Belief that abstinence and sexual inactivity are unhealthy - Cynicism about love or the need for affection between sexual partners - Belief that marriage is sexually confining - Lack of attraction to family and child-raising According to sociologist Jill Manning, the research indicates pornography consumption is associated with the following six trends, among others: 1. Increased marital distress, and risk of separation and divorce 2. Decreased marital intimacy and sexual satisfaction 3. Infidelity 4. Increased appetite for more graphic types of pornography and sexual activity associated with abusive, illegal or unsafe practices 5. Devaluation of monogamy, marriage and child rearing 6. An increasing number of people struggling with compulsive and addictive sexual behavior In a survey of women (and some men) who experienced serious adverse consequences from their partner’s cybersex involvement: - In 68% of the couples, one or both lost interest in relational sex: 52% of showed a decreased interest, as did 34% of partners. - Partners commonly reported feeling hurt, betrayed, rejected, abandoned, lonely, isolated, humiliated, jealous, and angry. - Partners often compared themselves unfavorably to online images. - Partners overwhelmingly felt that cyber affairs were as emotionally painful as offline affairs.
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YBOP is a really good source for studies related to the effects of pornography on the mind: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/ Here are just two on the link between pedophilia and porn addiction. Internet pornography and paedophilia (2013) https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02668734.2013.847851 >Clinical experience and now research evidence are accumulating to suggest that the Internet is not simply drawing attention to those with existing paedophilic interests, but is contributing to the crystallisation of those interests in people with no explicit prior sexual interest in children. Finding Lolita: A Comparative Analysis of Interest in Youth-Oriented Pornography (2016) – Abstract: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-016-9355-0 >The way we access pornography has certainly changed over time, as has the depth and breadth of pornographic content. Yet, despite decades of research on the effects of pornography, far less is known about specific genres, consumption patterns, and the characteristics of those consuming varying types of content. Utilizing Google search trends and image searches, this research explores the interest and relationships at the macro level within the niche of youth-oriented pornography. Results indicate that interest varies based on gender, age, geographic origin, and income. >As our current research here can only speak to the trends illuminated from our analysis, future studies must be conducted in order to ascertain information regarding actual attitudes and behaviors associated with consuming youth-oriented pornography. Overall, the results indicate all three hypotheses were supported. We found that there has been a significant increase in the rate of interest within teenage pornography, amateur pornography, and Hentai inspired pornography, which is unsurprising given the popularity of the niches among and widespread availability content via pornographic hubs (Ogas and Gaddam 2011). Clearly the interest in youth-oriented pornography has increased over the past decade, and that increase appears to coincide with what Gill (2008, 2012) and others argue is the continued ‘‘sexualization of culture’’. Only the search interest in Lolita pornography has decreased, most likely a result of the antiquated terminology and decrease in popularity, as more specific queries have arisen. Moreover, the evidence supports our hypothesis that those seeking out these subgenres within the niche of teenage pornography are a heterogeneous population rather than a homogenous group. Not only does the interest in types of youth-oriented pornography vary, but so too do the characteristics of the consumers seeking out the varying niches examined here.
Pornography and Criminal Behavior and Attitudes Research Results https://pornharmsresearch.com/2013/12/talking-points-pornography-and-criminal-behavior-and-attitudes-research/ Adult (>18 years old) exposure to pornographic media is connected with: Believing a rape victim enjoyed rape Believing women suffer less from rape Believing women in general enjoy rape Believing a rape victim experienced pleasure and “got what she wanted” Believing women make false accusations of rape Believing rapist deserve less jail time More acceptance of the rape myth More acceptance of violence against women More likely to go to a prostitute and to go more frequently Increasing their estimates of how often people engage in sex with violence More self-reported likelihood of forcing a women sexually More self-reported likelihood of rape Creating more sexually violent fantasies to get aroused Engaging in more sexual harassment behaviors More likelihood of forcing a woman sexually More likelihood of future rape Using physical coercion to have sex Using verbal coercion to have sex Using drugs and alcohol to sexually coerce women Having engaged in rape Having engaged in date rape Having engaged in marital rape Being an adult sex offender Being a child molester Being an incest offender Engaging in sexual abuse of a battered spouse More willingness to have sex with 13-14 year olds More sexual attraction to children Having sexually abused children The link also has studies that support these points, for further reading.
This is an excellent thread, anon. Thank you for posting. Saving all of this to keep on-hand.
Agreed! This is a wonderful collection of resources. This has been really helpful for me. Thank you so much.
>>85 >>79 I'm glad it was helpful. I'll share more things as I find them. Here's an article about men trying to differentiate between porn scripts and sexual assault stories: https://www.collectiveshout.org/_that_feels_like_a_sexual_assault_men_try_to_guess_if_scenarios_are_porn_or_metoo_stories >The men struggle to distinguish porn scripts from real sexual assault situations. One observes, ”That feels like a sexual assault.” Another speculates that the situation before him is a #MeToo story. At the conclusion of the video, it is revealed that all of the scenarios were taken from pornography. >This does not come as a surprise. Mainstream pornography is dominated by acts of violence against women. Common sex acts in pornography, like fellatio induced gagging, heterosexual anal sex and multiple penetrations, are not enjoyable for many women, but are degrading, painful and humiliating. An analysis of the most rented pornographic films found that 88% of scenes included physical aggression, with perpetrators being primarily men and targets overwhelmingly women.
>>109 And this is the study/analysis in question: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/db43/7a7a4a975603690bd5921286c7831b487d10.pdf >This current study analyzes the content of popular pornographic videos, with the objectives of updating depictions of aggression, degradation, and sexual practices and comparing the study's results to previous content analysis studies. Findings indicate high levels of aggression in pornography in both verbal and physical forms. Of the 304 scenes analyzed, 88.2% contained physical aggression, principally spanking, gagging, and slapping, while 48.7% of scenes contained verbal aggression, primarily name-calling. Perpetrators of aggression were usually male, whereas targets of aggression were overwhelmingly female. Targets most often showed pleasure or responded neutrally to the aggression.
How pornographers feel about women: “I’d like to really show what I believe the men want to see: violence against women. I firmly believe that we [pornographers] serve a purpose by showing that. The most violent we can get is the cum shot in the face. Men get off behind that, because they get even with the women they can’t have. We try to inundate the world with orgasms in the face.” - Bill Margold, porn industry veteran, quoted in Robert J. Stoller and I. S. Levine, Coming Attractions: The Making of an X-rated video; 1993. “There’s nothing I love more than when a girl insists to me that she won’t take a cock in her ass, because — oh yes she will!” -Max Hardcore, interviewed in Hustler (June 1995). “My whole reason for being in this Industry is to satisfy the desire of the men in the world who basically don’t much care for women and want to see the men in my Industry getting even with the women they couldn’t have when they were growing up. I strongly believe this… so we come on a woman’s face or somewhat brutalize her sexually: we’re getting even for their lost dreams. I believe this. I’ve heard audiences cheer me when I do something foul on screen. When I’ve strangled a person or sodomized a person, or brutalized a person, the audience is cheering my action, and then when I’ve fulfilled my warped desire, the audience applauds.” - Bill Margold, porn industry veteran and Free Speech Coalition board member. “It might promote violence against women in the United States, but I say, ‘Good.’ I hate those bitches. They’re out of line and that’s one of the reasons I want to do this … I’m going through a divorce right now. … I hate American women.” - What pornographers really think of women (Deutsche Presse-Agentur, 14 October 1999)
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>>137 PornHub makes so many invasive and inappropriate tweets - especially to women - it's insane. And of course they give their accounts female names like "Katie" and "Aria", to give people an excuse to point to when people rightfully call this behavior out for what it is.
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>>140 >har har har muh quirky porn website sexually harassing celebrities xD God I can't wait for this garbage to get k-lined off the internet for allowing sex trafficking to run rampant on the platform and refusing to comply with victim's requests to remove the videos. 400,000 signatures y'all.
>>145 People are waking the fuck up. It's such a relief.
>>137 holy shit what is wrong with oreo to respond to this? that's so inappropriate. they're fucked.
>>147 >>145 Do you actually believe what you're saying? That porn would be banned or somehow Pornhub would be held responsible? We have companies giving people cancer4profit, we have companies lobbying for war, we have companies that abuse4profit. None of them have ever got into hot water over what they did. Nobody cares about things that print money.
>>205 sad and true. the only way anything would come of this is if it destroys enough dicks. that's literally the only thing that matters. since E.D. doesn't discriminate it can easily affect the wealthy, it has a chance to mobilize people a teensy bit. kinda like the rona. still not going to result in the toppling of these sites though.
>>205 >That porn would be banned Pornhub and Mindgeek aren't the only means for porn on the internet so idk where you got that claim from. The petition is garnering a lot of media attention as more pressure is being placed on the Canadian government to launch an investigation. We're almost at 800k signatures right now. Time will tell what happens after it reaches 1mil. I'd like to remain optimistic.
I am so fucking tired of the new age commodification of women's bodies. As if nudes don't have real life consequences. As if they don't know exactly what they're doing by asking this. This fake sex positivity bullshit is permeating everything, and I want to vomit.
>>345 what in the fuck is this? how do people read this and think it to be acceptable? baffling
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/06/how-porn-affecting-choking-during-sex/592375/ >In a recent study, Debby Herbenick, a professor and sex researcher at the Indiana University School of Public Health, found that nearly a quarter of adult women in the United States have felt scared during sex. >Many sexual-assault cases among students at her university now center around nonconsensual choking. According to her research, 13 percent of sexually active girls ages 14 to 17 have already been choked. >The reason such young kids know about such a violent sexual act is likely porn, said Dan Savage, a sex columnist and the host of Savage Lovecast, who was also on the panel. And that’s not the only disturbing change that might be attributable to porn, added Kate Julian, a senior editor at The Atlantic and the author of a recent magazine cover story on sexual behavior among young people. For her story, she talked with many women who said their male partners seemed to be taking a cue from what they had seen in porn, pounding away or penetrating then anally when they weren’t ready. >Julian heard about a university health center that was seeing women with vulvar fissures, something that’s typically a sign of sexual assault. Except these women hadn’t been raped. “They just had been having sex that they didn’t desire,” Julian said. “They didn’t know it was supposed to feel different.” There are seriously people who think this is negligible, and that porn is not a problem.
>>375 how many of you guys have personally had men or boys re-enact porn on you? i've had it happen too many times to count, and by every guy ive had sexual encounters with
>>376 I have. I genuinely didn't know any better, and it sucks that we've basically been made to think that porn is real sex.
>>376 Quite a lot, although sometimes in the past, way before I learned the dark side of porn and men and all that lovely stuff, I've initiated the fake copy-porn-scenes sex in poor attempts to keep him interested even if it made me feel bad. Everytime I always felt used, like I just existed to be used for masturbation instead of genuine affection though I couldn't find the right words to describe that feeling until later in life. I wonder if women can even have "normal" sex with men nowadays since they always seem to expect you to act like their porn videos.
>>378 >>378 >I've initiated the fake copy-porn-scenes sex in poor attempts to keep him interested even if it made me feel bad. Everytime I always felt used, like I just existed to be used for masturbation i feel this very hard. hell, i've initiated it even though i always knew how shitty and evil porn was. the underlying feeling of obligation and generally just awkwardness, just, the way women and girls are just implicitly, or in many cases, explicitly, saddled with the responsibility of servicing these brats to the detriment of our literal bodies and emotional wellbeing -- it's very powerful. i've tried to explain this to men but they just ignore what i'm saying and chalk it up to me being ashamed to admit how hypersexual i am, that i must be genuinely hypersexual and freaky or whatever, and afraid to admit and indulge my desires or something. they're so invested in believing we actually enjoy this shit because they do, even if you literally tell them "i seriously hate this, never liked it, i am acting for your benefit", they won't believe it or actively will try to not believe it.
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>>375 Choking is far from being the only problem. Anorectal abuse is rampant as well, and it is an even greater problem. That is because too many people do not wish to think seriously about anorectal matters, much less talk openly and seriously about them and especially the traumatic consequences of anoreceptive activities. That reticence contributes to (often willful) ignorance, and it is enabling misinformation and disinformation to spread unchecked especially with the "sex-positive" bias so prevalent.
>>391 >especially with the "sex-positive" bias so prevalent. this is so depressing. yes, you're right. remember that teen vogue article (a mag for girls, and the article is half on having anal sex as a female) on how to have anal sex? https://www.teenvogue.com/story/anal-sex-what-you-need-to-know >Just because you have a vagina does not mean anal is off-limits. Many vagina owners love anal play. You don’t need to have a prostate to enjoy anal sex. For those without a prostate, having your anus stimulated can still be great — remember all those nerve endings are still in the fold here. The anus is not as malleable as a vagina, which has the ability to accommodate an infant’s head by design. The anus is very tight, and the feeling of having something in your rectal area is unique. It is often described as a feeling of fullness, which can be delightful. >Anal sex, like any kind of sex, can be perfectly safe if you take the correct precautions
>>393 >vagina owners >those without a prostate the trannies are at it again.
>>393 Your post comes across as a subtle shilling attempt.
>>395 how? how they're trying to hold up the anus as a sensory powerhouse is obvious bullshit, same with how they're trying to claim something inherently damaging can be "safe". does that need to be commented on by me when it's so clear? no one feels especially pleasured or tickled by the feeling of holding a big shit or being anally reamed. obviously teen vogue would write at length about the sensory nirvana that is getting ear-fucked if men wanted it
>>396 > how? By quoting the portion of that article about how anal sex "can be perfectly safe if you take the correct precautions." Perhaps it can be, but "correct precautions" are ridiculously unrealistic for the ideal case and may not exist for many specific cases (e.g. a woman's boyfriend has a penis that is just too girthy). > how they're trying to hold up the anus as a sensory powerhouse is obvious bullshit I've seen claims suggesting otherwise. One such claim is that the clitoris can be indirectly stimulated due to shared nerves. > same with how they're trying to claim something inherently damaging can be "safe". I wouldn't call anal sex inherently damaging (there are numerous variables involved), but what people see in mainstream pornography most certainly is: anoreceptive activities involving a combination of rapid thrusting, a girthy penis/object, and a prolonged duration. There are insurmountable physical limits relating to the anorectum's fragility, and such activities are clearly going far beyond rhose limits.
I see it more and more on lolcow and social media, but people seem to be... fine?? with oversexualized minors in media, lolicon and nsfw of fictional minors. It's astonishing because everyone seems to agree that people that call out this shit are mental. Pic related is a 15-16 year old girl. It's a character made by a 36-40 year old male. If this isn't disgusting, I don't know what it is. It kinds of alarms me that the people that defend this shit say "it isn't real cp, get over it lmao". I know it's not, but it encourages adults to look at minors like they are sexual or something, wtf. That's pedo as fuck.
>>398 does no one see something wrong with 40 year olds even fixating on 15 year old characters, period?
>>397 i still don't see how that sounds like shilling by quoting something that's ridiculous. it's always damaging, it's just about how many precautions you want to take to mitigate that damage. you're always engaging in a damaging action imo. the post i was responding to >>391 even literally makes mention of the fact that there are observable physiological changes after first time anal sex. by definition it's damaging, it's certainly not what our bodies are meant for. tearing is basically an inevitability as well, even if precautions are taken. this is not "safe". ffs, anuses tear from just normally taking shits and people develop painful conditions as a result. so imo, shoving a dick up your butt will never be "safe", it just can be unsafe or very unsafe. something that's damaging is never safe, it's just that people have a pretty weird tolerance for how much bodily harm they're willing to accept so long as it's a sexual act
>>398 Kind of have mixed feelings on that because I feel like censoring media with sexualized themes, minors or not, leads to a whole slippery slope of what to censor (is violence in media ok? are nude paintings ok? or other arguments about negative things in media etc you can see where it's going) but on the other hand there's some actually weird weeb shit out there like toddlercon that gets into magazines for sale in physical stores. Related note when it's in movies or shows that gets sketchy as fuck very fast. Shit like Millie Bobbie Brown being sexualized in Stranger Things. Like yeah the character she plays is fictional but god knows what happens behind the scenes. >>397 It's fine to quote something from an article you link. Also where the hell did you see that claim when my ex made me do anal that just hurt like hell for an entire two hours and as expected I did not cum.
>>402 >leads to whole slippery slope of what to censor You can't compare violence to fucking sexualized minors, not this shit again. Violence in media is not supposed to give a male a boner, nobody is jacking off to fast and furious or rambo. >inb4 "b-but there are people who are gore fetishits!!1!1" Yeah sure, but my point is still the same. Even though they get aroused by violence, doesn't mean the author wanted that. Knowing that, I dare you to say the purpose of sexualizing minors in media is not related to arousing males and pedos. It isn't called "sexualization" for nothing.
>>403 Hence why I went on the other hand toddlercon media, I just don't really know what to think about that kind of stuff when it comes to media at least drawn or written. Argument could go on for days. Call me a fencesitter though because I probably am one. I loathe the sexualizing minors in movies though, like that one about teens working in a strip club (don't know if it was a tv special movie or something else but I caught my mom watching that and I was like wtf and I never caught the name of it). Maybe because it's actual people involved moving around and makes it more easy for the viewer to be OK with it.
>>402 >Also where the hell did you see that claim when my ex made me do anal that just hurt like hell for an entire two hours and as expected I did not cum. nta but i'd take any claim, survey, or study with a continent sized grain of salt. there's practically no detaching bias from these fields, ESPECIALLY sexology, and there's practically no detaching pressures and expectations from the average woman's idea of what's pleasurable considering there's so much pressure for them to appease and genuinely believe what's beneficial for men is absolutely beneficial for them. >>403 >Even though they get aroused by violence, doesn't mean the author wanted that. kind of unrelated but honestly, i'd be willing to wager that most filmmakers that create violent media do fetishize violence. those people are total weirdos and in many cases seem to be abusive within their personal lives, actually. not to mention that your everyday male is extremely autistic in their ability to sexualize absolutely anything. they just aren't like us. and imo, they're not a small percentage of men. violent media that isn't educational, imo, is a huge liability to society because men can't consume shit without taking it to a sexual place.
>>399 > i still don't see how that sounds like shilling by quoting something that's ridiculous. I've dealt with many trolls, so I apologize if I read too much into what you posted. > it's always damaging, it's just about how many precautions you want to take to mitigate that damage. you're always engaging in a damaging action imo. I disagree with that and explained why. > the post i was responding to >>391 even literally makes mention of the fact that there are observable physiological changes after first time anal sex. Yes, a quote from a forensics textbook in Anatomy & Trauma makes this claim: "commonly there are changes in the normal anatomy, and the extent of such changes is dependent upon the following factors." The key point is that it mentions numerous variable factors. > by definition it's damaging, it's certainly not what our bodies are meant for. tearing is basically an inevitability as well, even if precautions are taken. this is not "safe". ffs, anuses tear from just normally taking shits and people develop painful conditions as a result. so no, shoving a dick up your butt will never be "safe", it just can be unsafe or very unsafe. I agree that the human anorectal region is highly unsuited for many all-too-common receptive activities due to its fragility. I just think you go a bit too far by pushing the absolute (100% guarantee of damage) when the truth may be closer to the relative (there are numerous variables to consider). I understand where you are coming from, but I try to be objective. I have dealt with many people who take positions approaching the polar opposite of yours. So, you might understand why I look at your claims with a bit of skepticism. Know that we are on the same side: if you have good supporting evidence, I would like to see it. >>402 > my ex made me do anal that just hurt like hell for an entire two hours and as expected I did not cum That is terrible. What someone from the other side would tell you is that you and he "did it wrong." Refer back to what I wrote in >>391. Ignorance, especially willful ignorance, is a major part of the problem. So are (self-)destructive inclinations such as sexual sadism disorder, sexual masochism disorder, and antisocial personality disorder (hence the inclusion of quotes about them in Trends & Associations). However, the biggest problem may be something else entirely: the common denigration and undervaluation of the human anus, one of our most important body parts. Since it sometimes (often) is disgusting, it is very easy and very common for many people to be prejudiced against it. So, consider fighting back against "lol butthurt," "he's an asshole," and similar remarks which serve to reinforce that prejudice, and which diminish and devalue the anus and anorectal problems. Perhaps people should consider putting "don't insult the anus / downplay anorectal problems" out there sometimes.
>>404 Ok I took like 5 seconds to actually read and think what I wrote and as usual I sound like a bumbling autist, IMO I don't think it's wrong for artists to draw whatever they feel like even if it is fucking nasty, would rather just stay away from that shit and let them draw their weird porn on their dark corners of the net. Same with writers. If there's one good thing about that kind of media it's that it acts as a danger signal to keep away from ___ because they're thinking about some freaky shit and expressing it on paper/canvas/their preferred format of media. Censoring it leads to the slope of government bodies censoring anything else they don't like and then it leads to government approved paintings or else you get a fine or some weird shit like that. If they ban one thing for normalizing something negative in media they're gonna end up getting rid of quite a lot. It'll be like book banning. Something something obscenity laws and the arts. That's why I'm kind of inbetween with it. If this was just with IRL people (movies) involved I'd be all for it though. I don't like seeing people act out shit like that. When I mean it's people moving around you actually see the scenario unfold on screen instead of working with a limited format like a book where you have to imagine it. It makes it easier for the viewer to apply that to IRL especially with the male ability to sexualize anything like the other anon said. sage for replying to myself and probably still sounding dumb
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>>406 >Perhaps people should consider putting "don't insult the anus / downplay anorectal problems" out there sometimes. i'm sorry, but i laughed. i get what you're saying though. you're right that no one wants to talk about anal issues in general though. no one wants to talk about the fact that incontinence, and particularly, fecal incontinence, occurs in 25% of women due to pregnancy, either. >I understand where you are coming from, but I try to be objective. I have dealt with many people who take positions approaching the polar opposite of yours. So, you might understand why I look at your claims with a bit of skepticism. just look at any resources regarding safe anal sex. they all tout bleeding after anal sex as being totally normal and not cause for concern at all unless it's "heavy" and advise lube generally to ease friction, but never state that even with lube you'll normally not experience some bleeding. (pic related is just one of many, many, many examples easily found.) damage is damage. no amount of damaging your body during sex can be considered "safe". even less so when we know obviously the body is very regularly tearing thanks to anal sex. i haven't found actual stats on what percent of people experience tearing, but considering the pain and the frequency and how often "light bleeding" is said to be normal and totally fine, i'd say it's a lot, if not unavoidable unless you're in some micropeen territory and aren't going past anything but 2 pumps? stretching out your asshole in preparation is also still damaging it.
>>408 so, you're saying that you can't censore lolicon because muh freedom of speech? Jfc. This. This was the shit I was talking about. I hate "freedom of speeeech reeee" fags so much. It's something that fucking lolicons like to bitch about. In a way, is funny seeing them sperg about how the world would turn into fascism dystopia if that disgusting shit got censored. Yes, totally. It's the end of the world. Why the fuck are you against the act of censoring in an anti-porn thread is something I can't understand. If you are so "inbetween", I wonder what kind of things do you like that keep from "taking a side". >let them draw their weird porn on their dark corners of the net >posted in an anti-porn thread ok.
>>411 >I hate "freedom of speeeech reeee" fags so much NTAYRT, but how is any form of censorship a good thing?
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>>411 I guess it could have gone in the unpopular opinion thread yeah, just because I don't really care for one form of porn over the other doesn't mean I'm supportive of all of it. I'm more worried about artists who'll end up having their own works censored because of it, weird example but the artist who was arrested for making vagina boats based on her own. I'll just leave it at that don't want to derail the entire thread about censorship in media.
>>414 while we're in the realm of the unrealistic, it's fair to figure it totally possible to ban media that comes from males and specifically only those that come from women that are outwardly fetishistic/similar to what a pornsick male would create. don't think we need to get into worrying about the 2 artists making vagina boats so much to the point where we underestimate the value of banning lolicon. tho tbh if this was a possibility anyways, I'd say vagina boat artists being arrested still wouldn't outweigh the net positives that meaningful censorship would bring, imo. none of this will ever happen though, so there's really no point in getting overly invested in worrying about the logistics of its implementation and the liberty of vagina knitting artists or something
>>410 > i'm sorry, but i laughed. i get what you're saying though. you're right that no one wants to talk about anal issues in general though. That's understandable. Many people will have to stop laughing and start talking seriously at some point though. > no one wants to talk about the fact that incontinence, and particularly, fecal incontinence, occurs in 25% of women due to pregnancy, either. The numbers vary, but yeah, pregnancy and obstetric trauma are significant contributors as well. > just look at any resources regarding safe anal sex. they all tout bleeding after anal sex as being totally normal and not cause for concern at all unless it's "heavy" and advise lube generally to ease friction Some bleeding might in fact be caused by a hyperosmolar enema and/or lubricant damaging the simple columnar epithelium above the dentate line. Such products may be very common. All enemas may remove that lining's protective mucus barrier as well, facilitating epithelial damage. > damage is damage. no amount of damaging your body during sex can be considered "safe". Hmm. > even less so when we know obviously the body is very regularly tearing thanks to anal sex. Your conclusion may be based on a faulty premise however (that bleeding might not always be caused by tearing). > stretching out your asshole in preparation is also still damaging it. Indeed, there is plenty of evidence that anal stretching is a bad idea.
>>398 When it comes to anime, I have mixed feelings. A lot of women portrayed in the medium are youthful-looking, but with mature bodies. I couldn't tell whether that character was 16 or 20+ until I fully read your post, for example. Most main characters (male or female) are typically drawn in an ambiguous "young, but not too young"/"young adult" stage, with the only markers of aging being the occasional eyebags or faint wrinkles. Also, a lot of the shows heavily featuring teenage boys/girls are aimed at teenagers, so in a sense, they're just pandering to their demographic: puberty-laden teens. On the other hand, it's not as if it's only teens watching this stuff. Plus, it feeds into coomer bullshit later down the line. One thing I do feel strongly against is lolicon, though. It's clear what that's all about, and I don't care for the "muh free speech" arguments. I don't understand how people defend that at all. It's very obvious who is being pandered to with that, and if you agree that porn is damaging, the overt sexualization of literal children, even in a fictional sense, can't logically be held exempt.
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>>423 imo there's something baseline problematic about the fact that their faces are highly neotonized basically regardless of age. i'm not a weeb or anything but older anime seems to be less guilty of this. it seems like adult, young adult, etc, characters have become increasingly facially childlike within the past like, 25 yrs to the point where there's like... no adults, young adults, or teens that don't look like 8 year olds
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there's no chance for boys and men to even be normal people
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>>432 How the fuck is PornHub not shut down yet? Is the FBI in on this shit unironically?
>>436 probably because almost all men are pedos or do their bidding because they don't think it's a big deal. like men who haven't necessarily raped don't think rape is a big deal
>>439 Porn has got society by the balls so hard now it's going down the pipes. I think it's really difficult to overestimate its insidious impact on gender relations. It's not even about sex; it's about power.
>>446 i couldn't agree more. just imagine the power they must feel knowing they're not the sex that is objectified like this -- objectified to the point of misery and literally death. it's such cheap and easy crack that makes losers feel like they're kings with one click and nothing (materially) lost. semi related but i think it's part of (other than just demonizing women as they always do) why they feel like women being naked is as bad as being fucked, because they feel completely fulfilled by porn -- it's better than sex, even, for them, and makes them feel like they actually are "having" these women. i think to them they're so caught up in this virtual world that anyfans shit is seriously analogous to sex because they do genuinely prefer porn. tho even without the actual porn, advertising and popular media is so hypersexualized that i think there's no tackling the porn without really tackling how hypersexualized all forms of media are. fucking chocolate bar commercials are sexed up. men are impulsive retards that truly do require leashes and helmets, and they're watching sexy coke commercials and sexy 'comedies' all day. they're getting turned on 24/7 while just watching Febreze commercials and shit. the switch is hit to go then watch porn
Rant time please excuse me I know there's mens movements for anti-pornography, but it always felt shallow because they don't care for the actual women being abused, they just care about their own self image after looking at Buff Man with 10 inch dick has sex for 2 hours.mp4 on Brazzers. And then they have the nerve to complain about men being sexualized. Like you did this to yourself it's your own sex filming this shit. Have some sympathy for others besides yourself. Same statement can apply to movies or advertisements where there's muscular men and they get sad about it.
>>451 Omg THIS. Also all they do is cry about their small dicks, too. “B-b-boo hoo, all women want is a big dick like in porn and mine is so tiny waaahh life isn’t fair women are Satan” Like, no... to all of it. Men can’t think about anything other than their dicks at any point in time, imagine being a brainless slave to your sexual organs.
So there's a very (it seems) popular hentai/bondage artist that draws slideshows of both adult women and children being raped - from what little I've seen, there's lots of focus on crying and blood. My "friend" (a man I live near I'm required to put up with due to him being somewhat mentally disabled and entirely unhinged) decided this was perfectly fine to show to me on the bus several months ago and I remember it every time someone brings up lolicon or hentai. This has to be as harmful, if not more harmful, than real porn, right? It's simulated children being assaulted. The focus is on how much pain they're in. It made me sick enough I couldn't eat for the rest of the day when he showed me. Sure, it's not real children - but it is genuinely something I would support being censored. It's not self expression it's finding an excuse to watch women and children get raped in a way that isn't illegal. As109 is the artist for those who want an example, there's no way I'm downloading it to post it because it makes me nauseous.
>>451 literally like no one sexualizes them. they aren't even attractive. even when they're attractive they aren't attractive. only gays love them tbh. they're sexualized by like 2 people in the world and their standards of attractiveness are so hysterically low. what's funny is that the illustrations they bitch about are created generally by other men. just like the roided out look is basically always praised by men only. even gymbros admit at a certain point women stop being attractive to their aesthetic but they don't care because it's about impressing themselves and each other. they do it to themselves
>>453 That sounds illegal actually. Isn't there a law against drawn child porn in the US?
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>>463 Depends on the state iirc, I always saw this chart floating around on 4chan but not sure if it's still accurate or ever was.
>>464 i feel like this probably isn't accurate. we don't live in a good enough world for this to be true. will look it up but if true i'll be somewhat proud of part of the south for once.
>>464 >>468 >>463 The protect act was created a while ago and drawn cp is somewhat illegal. If it's a real minor being depicted it's illegal, or if it's found alongside real cp, it can be used to charge or increase previous charges Most juries aren't going to understand enough about a dragon loli that's actually 1000+ years old but looks like a child to charge anyone for looking at it. I think genuine child rape drawn out, though, would get some juries to charge you
>>475 yeah, i'd heard about the protect act, but isn't it borderline 'unconstitutional' and has very few legal precedents/isn't generally upheld? i'd love for that to not be the case. i thought this infographic was about more than that.
Any way to help the men in your life wean off porn? I'm friends with a lot of super degenerate nerdy guys (furry/loli/general anime porn + regular porn) who like to share their porn with no shame and I'm wondering if I can make them realize anything or if it's not worth it.
>>599 Don't feel obligated to be their rehab therapist. If you're tired of them sending you porn firmly tell them to stop because it's annoying. If it's a group chat, mute it. imo everytime you try and explain the downsides of pornography they'll freak out and tell you that you're either being a prude or that women really enjoy being (insert depraved sex act here), don't you enjoy it too? Just tell them to fuck off with it. There's something weird about men, how they always enjoy sharing pornographic materials with each other. Literal circlejerk.
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Rose Kalemba's story went viral on Twitter and I can't help but lmao that people are posting this meme in response to all of Pornhub's tweets. Get fucked PH.
>>675 i've seen that. it's so great. the tides are turning on PH, but people need to realize this is not just a PH problem
>>675 Lmao, that pic makes laugh everytime, its just *chefs kiss*
>>391 Wikipedia's current articles about anal sex and the human anus have had major flaws for too many years. Among other issues: • The article about the human anus has an image of a human female's anus and perineum that probably were damaged by some kind of major trauma. Human females beyond developmental stages in the womb should lack an externally-visible perineal raphe, or seamlike union/ridge, in the anogenital region between the anus and the vagina; the bulbospongiosus muscle is separated in them and does not form a persistent, visible midline raphe as it may in males [References: Anatomy & Trauma]. • The article about anal sex lacks a neutral point of view, which is an essential component of Wikipedia's presentational philosophy. It does not present even one _scientific_ opposing perspective. Consequently, the article gives readers who are not exposed to more balanced sources the impression that opposition is limited to irrational religious positions. One such scientific perspective: The human anorectum is very unsuited for many all-too-common receptive activities due to the region's anatomy and physiology. The single short-term benefit, _potential_ pleasure, is greatly outweighed by the many short-term and long-term health risks for the receptive person. [Rationale: Anorectal Risks 1-3] • The article about anal sex does not mention the normalization of blatantly injurious anoreceptive violence in pornography featuring real people. • The article about anal sex contains a logically-fallacious appeal to nature: "natural" is not necessarily good or desirable, nor is "unnatural" necessarily bad or undesirable. Those flaws are contributing to rampant anorectal abuse and the misinformation that facilitates such abuse.
>>830 Are you really trying to say that anal sex is something good and normal and the it isn't harmful to anyone who practices it? Lol
>>988 Anon literally said the exact opposite. What the fuck is your reading comprehension?
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Pornstars are starting to get pissy about Mia Khalifa speaking out about her negative experience with the sex industry. Do they think talking about her this way is going to help their position? Because it just goes to show how truly sociopathic the industry really is.
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>>1018 Yep. I've seen this woman whine about Mia Khalifa for a while now and one of her favorite points to use is how she sexualized the hijab. Fair point, it is fucked up that not even women who do not want to be sexualized and cover up (hijabis, nuns) get porn made of them. However, this rhetoric coming from someone who wants to shield the porn industry? The industry that constantly churns out teen porn where the actresses are made to look as young as possible? The industry that has a problem with so many predators roaming around and still getting work even after being outed? So much more heinous shit is being fetishized by this industry, yet she's pulling out the SJW playbook over Mia wearing the hijab only when she criticized the porn industry.
>>988 >>989 What is with people's insistence on absolutes (never harmful vs. always harmful)? >>406 > I agree that the human anorectal region is highly unsuited for many all-too-common receptive activities due to its fragility. I just think you go a bit too far by pushing the absolute (100% guarantee of damage) when the truth may be closer to the relative (there are numerous variables to consider). As I posted elsewhere: > Anal intercourse is very likely, but not absolutely certain, to result in significant anorectal damage to a receptive person. My rationale for that was explained in an old post of mine (4chan /gif/thread/9488931/#9514792 28 Oct 2016). Here is a slightly modified version: (Quoting myself) > At best, anal sex and significant anal-insertive activities accelerate or guarantee the development of anorectal health problems. That could in theory be untrue if such activities are done with ridiculously excessive care* all the time, every time. * That includes, but is not limited to: ruling out preexisting anorectal conditions (possibly caused by prior sexual trauma), always using lubricant, avoiding lubricants that irritate/damage the rectal lining, avoiding enemas (all enemas, hyperosmolar or otherwise, probably remove the rectum's protective mucus barrier), always using a condom (particularly in the absence of an enema), never thrusting too rapidly ("too rapid" could vary for different people, at least for the anal tissues), never inserting anything too girthy ("too girthy" also could vary), never using numbing agents (pain indicates that something is wrong — anally, but not rectally), etc. In practice using ridiculously excessive care is unrealistic — it'd be more of a chore than a pleasure. Furthermore, both ignorance and misinformation are rampant, porn sets a very bad example that some viewers get ideas from, and people with [self-]destructive tendencies are having a field day.
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>P-Porn is just fantasy! Do you want to ban violent video games too?! Cumbrains now and eternally need to shut the fuck up. The study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28685211
>>1067 >>1067 I never understood the "it's just a fantasy" excuse, anyways. Obviously it was never just a fantasy, but like, what percent of people wouldn't want their fantasies to become a reality? I want all my fantasies (sexual or otherwise) to happen, personally. I don't get this. People fantasize precisely because it's not their reality at the moment?? That's the whole point. If given the choice, they'd make it a reality. If the only thing keeping them from committing sexualized crimes is punishment (and it is), how is that not concerning?
>>1067 My favorite part of that argument is how they compare something that's entirely artificial to something that involved real people and is entirely founded on abuse and exploitation of others. You can't even compare it to movies, at least the movie industry has standards. Though it is prone to degeneracy like the porn industry, I'd say it's better only because at least they don't film actual rape on screen
>>1084 Many people fantasize about killing others. What do you think is going through their mind when they say "I'm going to kill you?" They fantasize about the action but not the consequences because their imagination is limited. Are you saying those with rape fantasies actually want to be raped? Self-denial, not even delayed gratification, is a part of maturing: be careful what you wish for. If the only thing keeping them from committing crime is punishment (and it is), how is that not concerning?
>>1112 >Are you saying those with rape fantasies actually want to be raped? Kind of, except that people with typical 'rape fantasies', from what I can tell, generally want to be 'raped' by exactly the type of person they're attracted to/be made to feel irresistible to their ideal guy, usually. Almost none of the "I want to be raped" girls are actually fantasizing about the realities of most rape (though there are some women that, I think, due to trauma, are 'into' especially traumatic scenarios and not just idealized situations that involve their unattainable, hot famous actor dude physically "proving" to them how 'irresistable' they are). There's a difference between men who are very involved in the disgusting and evil details of rape fantasies, murder, and get turned on by every gory and horrific detail, and women who are idealizing the circumstances regarding rape. Men are turned on by the gruesome details, where women typically overlook them. I'd say both of these type of people want these fantasies to actually play out. It's up to you whether or not you consider extremely constructed and thought out rape play scenarios with their favorite actor, to be actual rape, whereas men really do want to rape and murder women and would take pride in breaking, destroying, and actually murdering women.
>>1124 There are women with rape fantasies who know they are fantasies and don't actually want to be raped or lie to themselves about the reality, please don't ask me how I know.
>>1125 In the case of women who 'fantasize' about traumatic situations, wouldn't you say these are more like intrusive sexualized thoughts, rather than fantasies? Especially for those who have experienced them before? It seems to be a lot of maladaptive coping, tbh. I don't know that I'd consider maladaptive coping to be fantasizing, personally. I don't think male fantasies are typically something they don't want, and they don't feel shame over them, either. Definitionally, "fantasiz/e/ing" seems to involve actual desire/want, according to most dictionaries. That's always how I thought of it as well. Not just any imaginary situation, but something you genuinely want. That's why the "it's just fantasy" doesn't make sense to me. I've never considered "fantasizing" as being just a synonym for imagining. Wouldn't you say though that the situations and pressures that might result in these kind of fantasies for women aren't really something that men would typically experience, anyways? It's not like men and their problematic fantasies come about in the same ways as women and their problematic fantasies. I don't think the complicating circumstances that often cause traumatic rape 'fantasies' in women are a thing for men.
>>1130 Okay to be clear; I've masturbated over situations that I'd rather die than actually experience in real life.
>>1131 How do you think you developed interest in those situations?
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I fully expect the amount of cases involving a man who frequently watched violent porn murdering a woman to increase in the next few years. Some high-profile cases of this type we've heard of in the past year or two were Eurydice Dixon, Grace Millane, and Tess Richely, and these were only the highly publicized ones.
>>1136 absolutely. i actually watched a video by jim cant swim recently and they focused a bit on the fact that stephen mcdaniel was driven to murder because of his addiction to violent/murder themed pornography. interesting that when men make an offhanded comment without calling for the censorship of pornography, no one objects to the claim that it does warp people, and it is seen as a reasonable assumption/a given. only when women say it is it magically not capable of influencing or desensitizing men.
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Andrea Dworkin's response to "It's just fantasy!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLWgGdFEC-8
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Scrotes are seething about Jenna Jameson telling her story about being groomed and trafficked into porn. https://twitter.com/jennajameson/status/1280309394966642688
>>44 I'm a little suspicious of Dr. Judith Reisman. She has some strange ideas about various things and isn't taken very seriously by mainstream scientists. See this quote. "Dr. Riesman informed that August body, “Thanks to the latest advances in neuroscience, we now know that emotionally arousing images imprint and alter the brain, triggering an instant, involuntary, but lasting biochemical memory trail. Pornography triggers a myriad of endogenous, internal, natural drugs that mimic the ‘high’ from a street drug.” Those testifying highlighted the “grave consequences” of pornography’s being available 24/7 and how it resulted in an epidemic of sexual violence toward women and children. This testimony appeared to be a significant influence on the Bush administration’s “War on Porn.” The only problem with Dr. Riesman’s elegant “erototoxins” theory was that facts stood in the way of her opinion and testimony. The overwhelming scientific evidence is that the increasing availability of pornography has been inversely related to the number of sex crimes committed." https://web.archive.org/web/20120913054714/http://biomedicalforensics.com/AAFS/Psychiatry_and_Behavioral_Sciences_EBook.pdf I think it's important to be objective.
>>1196 politics affects science. most researchers are pro-porn and I genuinely believe this affects their research. there's plenty of research confirming the harmful effects of pornography, anyways, too. the problem with the enlightened "objective" types is that they fail to account for or acknowledge the fact that popular narratives affect science. there was plenty of science "confirming" that neonates and babies under a year old felt absolutely no pain, and this obvious bullshit dominated science and medicine for decades, until the mid to late 80s, in fact.
now this is almost comical but still unnerving http://internet.gawker.com/a-porn-site-invaded-reddits-anti-masturbation-community-1680882343 porn sites raided r/nofap and pornfree, like that tells us that porn sites view these communities as threats to their work
>>1206 >Katie's chief job—just like the jobs of legions of "social media managers" and "community coordinators" at non-NSFW companies across the internet—is to keep people thinking and talking about her employer's brand. Considering that this blog post exists at all, she's doing it well. This is true and I hate this shit.
had a stroll through the r/sexoffendersupport subreddit. you guys would be so totally not shocked to find how many cases seem to be allegedly or admittedly a result of the "porn pipeline"
>>1206 she shows up in a lot of threads to defend ph. i remember when the rose kalemba and avri sapir stories came out, she went in there to try to smear them while another dumbass redditor got the two women mixed up and declared roses story to be false because he couldn't read twitter usernames i guess. the post was locked due to "misinformation" and she was highly upvoted despite doubting a woman who had a similar story in the same thread, while claiming ph never does that. i've given up on reddit, they eat this shit up. they believe that most women in porn or prostitution love it and that it's like working at mcdonalds, and if anyone dares say otherwise they're downvoted to hell.
>>44 > “Pornography triggers a myriad of endogenous, internal, natural drugs that mimic the ‘high’ from a street drug. Addiction to pornography is addiction to what I dub erototoxins—mind altering drugs produced by the viewer’s own brain.” - Dr. Judith Reisman >>1196 > I'm a little suspicious of Dr. Judith Reisman. She has some strange ideas about various things and isn't taken very seriously by mainstream scientists. Are you suggesting that her quote in post 44 is wrong because of those reasons you specified? If so, then that is a logically-fallacious ad hominem argument. Refute the claims directly if you can; don't attack the claimant in order to suggest the claims are wrong. > "The overwhelming scientific evidence is that the increasing availability of pornography has been inversely related to the number of sex crimes committed." > https://web.archive.org/web/20120913054714/http://biomedicalforensics.com/AAFS/Psychiatry_and_Behavioral_Sciences_EBook.pdf 1. Where are the supporting sources for that? I don't see any in that PDF. 2. Several articles and studies quoted in Trends & Associations (>>391) point out that: (a) Some people are inspired by and may even seek to emulate what they see in pornography, even violent pornography. (b) Exposure at least to violent pornography is associated with both coercion and violent behavior in a sexual context by some viewers. 3. There is one major problem with the PDF you referenced: In the section titled "Pornography and Sexual Violence: Is There a Connection?" it seems to equate sexual violence with "sex crimes." These are two distinct topics. Not all sexual violence may be prosecuted as a sex crime, perhaps due to regional legal differences, a victim's fear of reporting the violence, varying severity of the potential and/or actual consequences involved, etc. (Note that "erotic" might be a more appropriate term for non-procreative and non-genital erotic activities, but common usage of the term "sexual" makes no distinction, so I won't either beyond providing this footnote.)
>>1196 > I think it's important to be objective. I agree. "Pornography has become a primary source of sexual education. At the same time, mainstream commercial pornography has coalesced around a relatively homogenous script involving violence and female degradation. Yet, little work has been done exploring the associations between pornography and dyadic sexual encounters: What role does pornography play inside real-world sexual encounters between a man and a woman? Cognitive script theory argues media scripts create a readily accessible heuristic model for decision-making. The more a user watches a particular media script, the more embedded those codes of behavior become in their worldview and the more likely they are to use those scripts to act upon real life experiences. We argue pornography creates a sexual script that then guides sexual experiences. To test this, we surveyed 487 college men (ages 18-29 years) in the United States to compare their rate of pornography use with sexual preferences and concerns. Results showed the more pornography a man watches, the more likely he was to use it during sex, request particular pornographic sex acts of his partner, [and] deliberately conjure images of pornography during sex to maintain arousal[...]." "Pornography and the Male Sexual Script: An Analysis of Consumption and Sexual Relations." Archives of Sexual Behavior. 2016 May; 45(4): 983-94. PMID 25466233. doi:10.1007/s10508-014-0391-2. Epub 2014 Dec 3. [Use care when quoting this study due to the erratum: the abstract text was corrected.] "This study aims to report the epidemiology of sexual violence (SV) perpetration for both female and male youth across a broad age spectrum. Additionally, the etiology of SV perpetration is examined by identifying prior exposures that predict a first SV perpetration. Six waves of data were collected nationally online, between 2006 and 2012, from 1586 youth between 10 and 21 years of age. Five types of SV were assessed: sexual harassment, sexual assault, coercive sex, attempted rape, and rape. To identify how prior exposures may predict the emergence of SV in adolescence, parsimonious lagged multivariable logistic regression models estimated the odds of first perpetrating each of the five types of SV within the context of other variables (e.g., rape attitudes). Average age at first perpetration was between 15 and 16 years of age, depending on SV type. Several characteristics were more commonly reported by perpetrators than non-perpetrators (e.g., alcohol use, other types of SV perpetration and victimization). After adjusting for potentially influential characteristics, prior exposure to parental spousal abuse and current exposure to violent pornography were each strongly associated with the emergence of SV perpetration-attempted rape being the exception for violent pornography. Current aggressive behavior was also significantly implicated in all types of first SV perpetration except rape. Previous victimization of sexual harassment and current victimization of psychological abuse in relationships were additionally predictive of one's first SV perpetration, albeit in various patterns. In this national longitudinal study of different types of SV perpetration among adolescent men and women, findings suggest several malleable factors that need to be targeted, especially scripts of inter-personal violence that are being modeled by abusive parents in youths' homes and also reinforced by violent pornography. The predictive value of victimization for a subsequent first SV perpetration highlights the inter-relatedness of different types of violence involvement. Universal and holistic prevention programming that targets aggressive behaviors and violent scripts in inter-personal relationships is needed well before the age of 15 years." "Predicting the Emergence of Sexual Violence in Adolescence." Prevention Science. 2018 May; 19(4): 403-415. PMID 28685211. doi:10.1007/s11121-017-0810-4. "Pornography, Sexual Coercion and Abuse and Sexting in Young People's Intimate Relationships: A Europ
>>1280 >truncating instead of rejecting the post as too long Continued: "Pornography, Sexual Coercion and Abuse and Sexting in Young People's Intimate Relationships: A European Study." Journal of Interpersonal Violence. 2018 Oct; 33(19): 2919-2944. PMID 26951609. doi:10.1177/0886260516633204. Epub 2016 Mar 6. "Problematic Pornography Use and Physical and Sexual Intimate Partner Violence Perpetration Among Men in Batterer Intervention Programs." Journal of Interpersonal Violence. 2018 Nov 21; 886260518812806. PMID 30461344. doi:10.1177/0886260518812806. Online ahead of print.
>If sex workers were respected and supported, they wouldn't be exploited. Because you don't exploit people who you respect and support. I literally just saw a tweet saying this lmao like how dumb is this person? People highly respect and support children, but they are still exploited. Pedophilia is a literal thing and it's illegal. So basically this person is saying we can stop all abuse if we were nice... Perfect
>>1310 If sex workers were truly respected and seen as people no one would buy sex from them in the first place. They truly delude themselves if they think any of their clients will ever respect them beyond a surface level.
>>1310 Even if it were true that punters somehow respected sex workers or that by legitimizing sex work it would cause them to "respect" these women, they really disregard the fact that there will always be a large portion of the population of males, honestly, that feels no respect towards basically anyone because of the extreme entitlement patriarchy instills in them. A lot of men have no "respect" for anyone but themselves. Slogans aren't going to change these men. This is a much larger issue that can't be tackled by "sex work is work". Women need to understand how dangerous sex is, period. It's extremely dangerous to put yourself in these positions with even men you "know", and it's nowhere near sensible to make yourself that vulnerable with many men for money. There is no rationalizing that kind of foolishness that could so easily go so wrong.
I met a "nice" guy, but he's a pornsick. We haven't met in person yet, but he only talks about anal sex and sadistic practices out of porn. Do you think I can change his mind? Or is he just going to try to make me prudish?
>>1374 It all hinges on the answer to one question: does he admit it's a problem?
>>1374 You mean he wants to have anal sex and sadistic sex? Why would you even want to meet this guy?
>>1374 >He only talks about anal sex and sadistic practices out of porn he doesn't sound very "nice" >Do you think I can change his mind? No, sounds like he'll be overly defensive of his precious porn. Though feel free to discuss the ethics of watching porn and see where that gets you. World's in a pandemic, he doesn't sound worth it.
>>1374 No, just leave him alone jesus christ. This is why you guys get into bad relationship after bad relationship, you think that you can change men even after they show you their true colors. FYI if he watches sadistic porn he is not a nice guy.
>>1374 Make it about putting things up his butt and hurting him IMO It's not going to end well but it might make for more entertaining conversation.
>>398 >boobs the size of two watermelons >15-16
I don't think porn will disappear for a long long time. What can be done in the mean time to lower its damage? More female porn directors are becoming prominent and "female friendly" is a thing although I think the term is pretty demeaning.
>>1472 Honestly, like, it really sucks, but I think the onlyfans thing might not be so bad in that these girls are mostly creating their own content and in doing so I THINK it tends to be less violent and abusive (less emphasis on gangrape etc). I'm seeing a lot more "vanilla" ish content coming from these onlyfans girls, and at least there's no middle men save for the site, at least the girls have automatic copyright, etc. I also think it's better than camming because camming, I assume, puts them in more of a frenzied mentality where they're pressured to please right on the spot, so they're more likely to do extreme things to themselves either in private chat or on the main stream, whatever.
>>1472 Tbqh I do. And it's cause is rooted in misogyny of course. Because like you mentioned, as more women get into roles of power when producing porn, so will the men who demand the awful shit decide to leave and be "anti porn". They're not into to whatever women make be it hard bdsm shit ort he soft sensual kind. It will be then shown as the good men being pure and anti degradation (even though they get off on it) vs the evil corrupted women who are promoting it. I'm seeing it now already with pornhub getting backlash for being exploitative towards rape victims gaining attention. Their social media is protrayed as a woman is managing them so it's easier for men to start hating them. It's like nofap is anti porn but it's purely from the perspective of men who are in their 20s/30s with chronic ED feeling bad that they can't feel anything anymore and that porn made them view women like their gfs and wives as ugly and undesirable. They don't give a fuck about the reality of sex trafficking and porn being so interwoven or how rape and assault videos are the norm or how those porn actresses are realizing the demand for straight violence and snuff is getting too high for them to supply due to being uncomfortable with the content so the industry finds girls to drug and abuse them on camera. It's what men are feeling that will dictate the narrative.... Like people bring up legalizing prostitution not so women are protected. They know women won't be. The demand for legal prostitutes at any age is SO high, supply happens only through trafficking. I remember that case I think in the US(Rhode Island?) where they mistakenly legalized it. And trafficking rose. It's happened all over the EU too. These men demand women to make children yet get off on destroying our reproductive systems so much. It's heinious.
It's funny though how the NoFap community seem to miss the point that masturbation isn't entirely wrong or damaging. They fucked themselves and their dicks up with their own porn consumption, it's hard to sympathize since they're more concerned about themselves than the women who were coerced and trafficked in their gross ass male fantasies. I can't imagine how male sexuality would be without pornography or even how pornography would be without the male sexuality. It's too embedded and tied together. And I know that though there are other forms of pornography (like literotica, or audio stuff), I can't help but think that it's still all goddamn male fantasies. Also, is it even possible for men who can get off from healthy imaginations alone??
This isn't about porn but what your stand on hentai? Weebs I've seen around justify hentai because it doesn't harm women but at same time it has some of the fucked up contents humanity has every created when it comes to sick fetishes. They claim there are no consequences to such content and it's just pixels on a screen.
>>830 Why is no one even trying to fix those major flaws in those articles that were pointed out?
>>1493 I think hentai promotes this degenerate mentality of the "experienced virgin" to much to scrotes. There are stories from women who have been told by their exes that their bodies aren't like some drawn anime girl, how their breasts don't lactate after orgasm, ect. And I see how many men want inexperienced girls but still will shame and pressure them if they don't act like porn stars. You find that alot in anime where the girl is an innocent virgin until sex and then she's another whole person due to dick.
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>>1511 >crickets I'll just dump these images and fuck off elsewhere. I don't belong here. No one's listening anyway — same as everywhere else. Have fun laughing at the crazy male incel virgin with the insane fetish.
>>1577 wait, what? why don't you belong here? people are listening and agree with you, it's just that the board is slow.
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They're so desperate
>>1666 They really are. A pick-me of the highest caliber.
>>1682 Is she seriously claiming that anti rapehub is fake because of her eyebrows? Oh my god they are pathetic. I love seeing replies calling out how ugly porn is nowadays especially under porn stars who hate seeing victims speak out tweets. I hope it continues. Does anyone remember Shelley lubben? She past away a few years ago but she was an anti porn advocate after being in it for a bit. And some scrote Michael whitecare with other porn stars made expose videos and pages on her because supposedly she scammed people with her charity. She wasn't perfect and they said she passed away allegedly via suicide but it was amazing seeing how much effort porn addicted scrotes give when porn stars actually reveal their negative experiences. There's also the documentary The Dark Side of Porn I think it's on YouTube in parts that had an interview with a woman who was beaten by a stalker that loved her and her videos yet she as raped and brutalized.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlatantMisogyny/comments/jdlhv9/i_wasnt_even_searching_for_porn/ Rapehub tries to be so "pro woman" and mainstream and funny with brands on twitter yet keeps sick shit like this out in the open. Every violent scrote has a history with violent porn. But retarded libfems hate women and would rather defend "misogyny kinks" like this than to critique it.
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so tired of seeing "sexy" Wednesday Addams cosplays around Halloween. Do people forget Wednesday is literally a child?
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God can we please just delete scrote posting, seeing that shit is annoying
I stumbled on a thread on reddit that was discussing pro life topics. And one scrote made the typical comments against it, calling women sluts for having sex. Yet you see on his comment history he loved those "sluts" enough from various porn subs to comment on them and write gross fantasies involving them. It's always the same scrotes I've noticed on reddit that blast out anti pro choice rhetoric are the same scrotes that leave comments of praise on porn subs talking about all thr sex they wish they could have with those women. They love sex, love those women that have sex, but hate that sex can lead to babies so these retarded scrotes have to blame women instead of their degernate male sexuality.
>>1931 This sort of double standard reminds me of the male injectable birth control that was being developed in India, but they had to suspend the study on it because the participants complained about headaches and depression. Boo hoo hoo. Meanwhile women have been dealing with pain, acne, weight gain, low libido, nausea, mood issues and an increased risk for fucking cancer due to hormonal birth control for decades. (As an aside, another form of RISUG is still being developed and should hopefully come out within the next few years.)
>>1931 Only the lowest males would leave comments like that. The rest are happy enough to watch porn and be on their merry way, judging silently. These guys are the equivalent to the dumb sociopaths who get caught and put behind bars.
I just want to make love not have sex where a dude is secretly thinking of porn or reenacting one,


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