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How to cope with the disturbing fact most men are gays Anonymous 06/06/2020 (Sat) 16:50:08 No. 880
And I'm not even talking about, as marilyn frye said, them being homoaffective only. I'm talking about them being secretly homosexual also. This is something women are not even close to get redpilled on cause media fools us into thinking we are this object of desire of men when in reality we aren't that desired. There is also the fact men hide their gay feelings very well and won't ever admit them, but they make up the vast majority of men
>>911 Lol stop being naive. That's why I said "most women are even close to be redpilled on this"
>>918 Not even
I think a lot more people overall fall somewhere as bisexual and men are much more likely to try to hide those feelings from women cause 'lol gay'. I swear all the boys I would talk to in middle and high school ended up telling me they got together with their male friends at least once and would masterbate to pornography together. Maybe I have weirdos overrepresented in my past friend and acquaintance groups The fuck? I can't imagine doing that shit with my friends in a million years and I'm comfortable with being bi. Also, seems a decent portion of straight women get squicked out by the idea of their partner having sex with a man in the past, anecdotally. Or have fears of him leaving for a man. Have others had the same experience in their social groups?
>>986 All guys I've dated have ended up telling me they have done some gay shit and have gay sexual fantasies and want to act on them and they eitheir do it secretly or don't cause they're too afraid somebody will know. It was just a matter of getting them comfortable enough to admit it. How can this be a coincidence that all guys I've had something with were bisexuals? They were all different from each other and I'm an average woman and I've never looked for bisexual men. The women who don't want to date bisexual men are completely right. Bisexual men are the most carcinogenic thing ever. They won't ever be capable to be a good or even reasonable husbands or family men for a woman. The stereotype that bisexuals are trash only exists because of men. I don't think they apply to women cause women are simply not as promiscuous as men
>>987 >I don't think they apply to women cause women are simply not as promiscuous as men Bingo. None of the stereotypes apply to women, they don't act anywhere near the same way, and the risk of disease transmission is much lower anyways. There's nothing wrong with women not wanting to be with bisexual men. Bi men are not sex, relationship, anything material, imo. 98% of men cheat and/or want to, so then a bisexual man is going to likely sleep with a man that is more than likely promiscuous, and the transmission rates are higher for men. If I was going to sleep with a man, I'd rather risk my sexual health with a man that cheats on me with a woman, since it'd be fairly unlikely for him to contract anything from her.
>>995 Anon I think the EXACT same things and I thought I was the only one
I had noticed this too. Cross-dressers (even ugly ones) are very popular among men. They don't like women, they like "femininity". And yes, they like penises more than vaginas. In the case of traps, the phrase "better with a penis" is common.
>>1360 IMO any women would stay away from men who have a fetish for cross dressers/transwomen. Now, I'd never knowingly date a guy who fucked transwomen/other men, but if a guy *dates* a transwomen I tend to think of him as 10% less crazy then Chasers/fetish who just like men who "look* like women. It's a fetish, I think men with certain fetishes should be avioded because 9/10 they are fucking crazy, deviant and gross. I've yet to see anyone break this line of thinking. I think porn addiction can make a man go from straight to into weird shit just like that. Most men who are into transwomen/cross dressers aren't all men who were always gay but have Porn Rot Brain imo. I don't think most men are gay, I do think most men with porn rot can go from women to dude with tits but only men who are already fucked in the head from the beginning.
>>1363 *should* not would I know my post is brain fart, but my point is that *normal* men usually aren't into these things, there are always signs, there's always something. I'm not talking about bisexual/gay men but the weirdos who like to blur the lines. I know gay men who date transwomen/crossdressers but they don't claim to be anything else but gay/bisexual, it's these "Straight' men who watch trans porn/fuck transwomen and basically cross dressers who all women should stay clear of. Closet cases and closet fem men chasers are crazy asf. Look at Malik Y*ba, dude claims he's straight but I've heard he's fucked men and transwomen who don't even attempt to look like women, how are you straight but hiring underaged (allegedly) transwomen and being accused of fucking men? Even when he talked about it he seemed like he was losing his mind. People who tell you that men into traps, crossdressers and transwomen aren't gay and would'nt fuck a man are lying. they want dick, they just want it on an man that acts like a woman. >>995 I'd never date bisexual man (knowingly) but it's these "New Bisexuals" pretending to be straight who are crazy. As someone who dated one I know. There's not one thing wrong with ANYONE not wanting to date a bisexual person or a person for any reason. I do think certain types of men are going to have certain types of behaviors.
It's actually culturally accepted for men in some Muslim countries to anally rape young boys as not to 'defile' girls so they are virgins for their husbands. Yes otherwise straight men do this. Men in prison are also even more likely than straight women to go gay for the stay. It's simply because men cannot live without putting their penises in something. Many would rather put their dick in a man, animal, object or young boy rather not put it in anything at all. Males become like this from the onset of puberty. My male friend who is asexual went to an all male boarding school for his high school education and rape among boys was the norm. He's always been a big guy and can make himself intimidating so luckily they left him alone but he is incredibly traumatized just by witnessing it and thinks it could be the reason behind his asexuality.
>>1467 >He's always been a big guy For you.
>>1468 based and banepilled
>>1363 Porn is not addictive
>>1490 Are you going to explain how it's not? I say this with no sacarsm, I felt I was "addicted" to porn as a teen up until I was 21.
>>1496 There are no actual scientifical evidences that support the idea of porn being addictive in any way. There are however studies proving it is not addictive
>>1500 Look anon this is such a wild take you can't just say 'there are studies' you have to actually link to the studies.
>>1503 www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive%3famp Porn definitely has plenty of negative effects on people and society as a whole, but it is not addictive
>>1505 Psychology Today and David Ley have a vested interest in defending porn. David Ley has attacked the NoFap movement, while Psychology Today has run articles staunchly defending the use of porn and claiming no one is harmed by it, presenting BDSM as a form of "queer" sexuality, etc etc. They should never be used as sources on this topic, they're full of shit. Here, some actual research: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/brain-studies-on-porn-users-sex-addicts/ybop-response-to-claims-in-a-david-ley-comment-january-2016/ https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/critiques-of-questionable-debunking-propaganda-pieces/neuroscience-of-internet-pornography-addiction-a-review-and-update-excerpt-critiquing-prause-et-al-2015/ (this one directly confront's Ley's claims)
>>1507 >Psychology Today and David Ley have a vested interest in defending porn. You say that and then go on to link a website called yourbrainonporn.com. I'm against porn too, but you're not doing yourself any favors when you're characterizing Ley as being against the NoFap movement which is coincidentally aimed at porn sick, limp dick men. Psychology Today runs lots of controversial articles.
>>1500 > There are no actual scientifical evidences that support the idea of porn being addictive in any way. I'm not taking a stance on this either way. I'll merely point out some studies that I've come across in my next post. > There are however studies proving it is not addictive Where are your references to at least two such studies? >>1507 > Psychology Today and David Ley have a vested interest in defending porn. David Ley has attacked the NoFap movement, while Psychology Today has run articles staunchly defending the use of porn and claiming no one is harmed by it, presenting BDSM as a form of "queer" sexuality, etc etc. They should never be used as sources on this topic, they're full of shit. That is an ad hominem argument. >>1508 > You say that and then go on to link a website called yourbrainonporn.com. Both of you should be focusing on addressing any claim(s) made rather than where any particular claim was found. That said, the answer to the question of "does pornography have the potential to be addictive?" could well be "we currently do not know for certain" or "it depends on what your definition of addiction includes" (and one could argue that obsession/compulsion might be a more fitting term than addiction, since the latter might imply physiological dependence as with an addictive drug).
>>1509 Study cited by the previously-referenced PsychologyToday article: "Sexual desire, not hypersexuality, is related to neurophysiological responses elicited by sexual images." Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology. 2013 Jul 16; 3: 20770. PMC3960022. doi:10.3402/snp.v3i0.20770. Response to that study: "‘High desire’, or ‘merely’ an addiction? A response to Steele et al." Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology. 2014 Feb 21; 4. PMC3975913. doi:10.3402/snp.v4.23833. Related studies: "Internet sex addiction treated with naltrexone." Mayo Clinic Proceedings. 2008 Feb; 83(2): 226-30. PMID 18241634. doi:10.4065/83.2.226. "Can Pornography be Addictive? An fMRI Study of Men Seeking Treatment for Problematic Pornography Use." Neuropsychopharmacology. 2017 Sep; 42(10): 2021-2031. PMC5561346. doi:10.1038/npp.2017.78. "The assessment and treatment of adult heterosexual men with self-perceived problematic pornography use: A review." Addictive Behaviors. 2018 Feb; 77: 217-224. PMID 29069616. doi:10.1016/j.addbeh.2017.10.010. "Moral Incongruence and Pornography Use: A Critical Review and Integration." The Journal of Sex Research. 2019 Jan; 56(1): 29-37. PMID 29412013. doi:10.1080/00224499.2018.1427204. "Online Porn Addiction: What We Know and What We Don’t—A Systematic Review." Journal of Clinical Medicine. 2019 Jan 15; 8(1): 91. PMID 30650522. doi:10.3390/jcm8010091. "The Assessment of Problematic Internet Pornography Use: A Comparison of Three Scales with Mixed Methods." International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health. 2020 Jan; 17(2): 488. PMC7014272. doi:10.3390/ijerph17020488.
>>1508 I don't see how it's an ad hominem or in any way wrong to point out the issues with using PT and Ley as authorities, considering their previous actions. YBOP is anti-pornography, but it doesn't rely on think pieces, but literal mountains of research that Ley and PT jump over because it doesn't fit the narrative they want. Here's some of the data that was cited in the YBOP links, though: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/ >1) Neuroscience of Internet Pornography Addiction: A Review and Update (Love et al., 2015 >Many recognize that several behaviors potentially affecting the reward circuitry in human brains lead to a loss of control and other symptoms of addiction in at least some individuals. Regarding Internet addiction, neuroscientific research supports the assumption that underlying neural processes are similar to substance addiction… Within this review, we give a summary of the concepts proposed underlying addiction and give an overview about neuroscientific studies on Internet addiction and Internet gaming disorder. Moreover, we reviewed available neuroscientific literature on Internet pornography addiction and connect the results to the addiction model. The review leads to the conclusion that Internet pornography addiction fits into the addiction framework and shares similar basic mechanisms with substance addiction. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/ >Is Internet Pornography Causing Sexual Dysfunctions? A Review with Clinical Reports >Traditional factors that once explained men’s sexual difficulties appear insufficient to account for the sharp rise in erectile dysfunction, delayed ejaculation, decreased sexual satisfaction, and diminished libido during partnered sex in men under 40. This review (1) considers data from multiple domains, e.g., clinical, biological (addiction/urology), psychological (sexual conditioning), sociological; and (2) presents a series of clinical reports, all with the aim of proposing a possible direction for future research of this phenomenon. Alterations to the brain's motivational system are explored as a possible etiology underlying pornography-related sexual dysfunctions. This review also considers evidence that Internet pornography’s unique properties (limitless novelty, potential for easy escalation to more extreme material, video format, etc.) may be potent enough to condition sexual arousal to aspects of Internet pornography use that do not readily transition to real-life partners, such that sex with desired partners may not register as meeting expectations and arousal declines. Clinical reports suggest that terminating Internet pornography use is sometimes sufficient to reverse negative effects, underscoring the need for extensive investigation using methodologies that have subjects remove the variable of Internet pornography use. In the interim, a simple diagnostic protocol for assessing patients with porn-induced sexual dysfunction is put forth. >3.4. Neuroadaptations Related to Internet Pornography-Induced Sexual Difficulties: We hypothesize that pornography-induced sexual difficulties involve both hyperactivity and hypoactivity in the brain’s motivational system [72, 129] and neural correlates of each, or both, have been identified in recent studies on Internet pornography users [31, 48, 52, 53, 54, 86, 113, 114, 115, 120, 121, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134]. There's just a huge-ass list of studies on this topic, all here, without need for commentary from the creator of the site: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/brain-studies-on-porn-users-sex-addicts/
Certain scientists will come up with studies that say whatever a certain group wants to hear. It's about lobby and funds. PT cites studies that say porn is not addictive and YBOP cites studies that say it is addictive. Until someone conducts a serious study on this matter, it is hard to know the truth.
>>1519 What would count as a "serious" study in this context?
>>1514 The issue is not using them as authorities: a logically-fallacious ad hominem argument is attacking the sources in order to suggest that they are wrong instead of providing actual evidence disproving any particular claim(s) that they made. >>1519 > Certain scientists will come up with studies that say whatever a certain group wants to hear. It's about lobby and funds. That's why people should look for studies in peer-reviewed journals* that hopefully check for conflicts of interest and such. Then, if one or more people with potentially-conflicting interests (co-)author a study that is allowed to be published after peer review, ideally there is clear documentation of potentially-conflicting interests in each study. * I am intentionally not including the word "reputable," because that is getting into the territory of an appeal to authority: "you should believe the study because that journal is reputable!" Humans are fallible, and so even "reputable" journals can publish studies with flaws and even false information.
>>1514 > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/ One thing which makes me wary of that study is that the authors repeatedly cite the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM), which at the time included decidedly non-scientific "spiritual" aspects in its definition of addiction as quoted in the study from ASAM's web site. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/ It should be noted there is a conflict of interest laid out in that study: "Gary Wilson is the author of Your Brain on Porn: Internet Pornography and the Emerging Science of Addiction. He holds an unremunerated, honorary position at The Reward Foundation, the Registered Scottish Charity to which his book proceeds are donated." Don't take this to mean I'm suggesting anything in the study is wrong for that reason, though. In fact, the study makes sense: if people become desensitized due to pornography (ab)use, then certainly sexual dysfunction might be expected e.g. if a person's partner is unable or unwilling to satisfy the person's pornography-altered desires. > https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/brain-studies-on-porn-users-sex-addicts/ There is indeed plenty of information there. I am just skeptical that pornography (ab)use has the potential for _all_ aspects of addiction, particularly physiological dependence and withdrawal. If it does not, then using the word "addiction" is inappropriate IMO. As I noted previously, obsession/compulsion might instead be more fitting.
Porn does bad to your mind and to society, but it is not the root of the problem
>>880 The more gay and bisexual men in a society, the more misogynistic and unnatural this society is. Just take a look at ancient greece. Yet we see all these stupid women gladly advocating for them cause they think gay men are their bffs
>>1557 IF that were true I'd expect muslim countries to be super tolerant of gay men. Oh wait...
>>1560 Muslim men are gay. As someone said above: >It's actually culturally accepted for men in some Muslim countries to anally rape young boys as not to 'defile' girls so they are virgins for their husbands
>>1557 I think the more interesting question is what happens with robosexuality.
>>1562 Robosexuality? That ain't THE threat specifically... But artificial wombs + artificial eggs + trans women/sexual robots.. then you have the whole men trying to replace us combo .
>>1467 >asexual Anon, there's no such thing as asexuality let alone an asexual MAN
>>1564 how isn't it possible to be asexual? men are retarded, that's another story, but pretty sure if either women or men have low test it's possible, no?
>>1561 That sounds like Bacha Bazi, which is an archaic Afghan (I forgot what specific ethnic group) practice rather than a "Muslim" practice.
>>1581 Pashtun, and not archaic at all according to testimony I've heard from soldiers who'd served in Afghanistan.
>>1583 Really, that shit is still going on?? Wild.
>>1584 Apparently rather than being heterosexual they are doesn't-have-a-beard-osexual.
>>1557 >>1560 ""The proscription against male-male fucking is the lid on masculinity, the limiting principle which keeps masculinity from being simply an endless firestorm of undifferenciated self...The straight male's phobic reaction to male homosexuality can then be seen as a fear of an unrestricted, unlimited, ungovern masculinity" It could well be argued in response that the act of fucking another man would in fact strengthen male bonding rather than destroy it. That can be seen as a problem for a feminist analysis too since it is male bonding that forms the scaffolding of male supremacy and it is not in women's interest necessarily that it should be stronger"
>>1585 Kek
>>1586 Where are you getting this from?
>>1590 The Lesbian Heresy: A Feminist Perspective on the Lesbian Sexual Revolution
I saw a dude say that women aren't true allies to bisexual/pansexual men because they won't date men who date transwomen or men who are bisexual. Seems like another way for men to try to guilt women into sex/relationships. I've even seen some homophobic incels, say that women support the LGBTQ+ the most but won't date bisexual/trans attracted males, so basically we are trying to push this on everyone else but us. (like women aren't attacked the most in all of this) So I guess in order for us to care we have to give men pussy. Thing is, I've seen gay men have NO issues saying they don't want to date bisexual men and bisexual men saying they don't want to date bisexual men or men, but they aren't seen as homophobic. There are bisexual men who would never date a man, but then shame a woman for not wanting to date men who are bisexual. With women we either have to suck girl dick and bisexual dick or we are transphobic homophobic tards. This is the true goal. These movements are always pushed by men attracted to women, because gay troons know that straight/bisexual men aren't going to let them dick watch, but gay, straight, bisexual men of all backgrounds STAY clit watching and shaming women for who we do or don't want to fuck. yet if we do it to them it's a problem. This is why I have no issue saying tranny chasers are disgusting and I'd never date a bisexual man, but at this point, I'm thinking of sticking to the lady pond because it feels like a lot of men prefer women but have a kink for men, cross dressers and troons, yet they claim they are "Straight".
You know what pisses me off big time? How this is not talked about: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zoZERF8SK4 Some days ago I met this gay dude who started to openly disclosure his sexual life to me and my friends. He was particularly proud about a random married "straight" (they like to think these guys are straight regardless of the illogically in this) he had sex with that same day. He doesn't know the guy, had never seen him before. He said they talked a bit and apparently the guy has a wife and she is pregnant. He then went off about how much he loves to fuck with "straight" *married* men and how they are the best. This gay dude has sex with complete strangers literally almost every single day. The only thing I could think about while he was telling us that is what if the guy he fucked with that day has contracted an STD from having indiscriminate sex with other men and has passed it to his wife and therefore to the baby as well. Go back months before and I'm part of a facebook support group for abusive relationships (which the majority of members are women) and there was this post from a woman whose husband got her HIV. A quick look on anonymous forums and the likes will show you how many men consider themselves straight, have wives or girlfriends but still have sex with men and a huge part are especially attracted to trannies. There are also HIV positive men who purposelly infect women with a disease they probably got from men in the first place. I then think about how much men are responsible for spreading STDs and have even spread a disease that has no cure. Men are a threat to women in many ways and one of them is their sexual behavior. Still, people are concerned about controlling women's sexuality only. This is insane. I can't imagine what I would do if I were on any of those women's places, nothing I could do would be capable of relieving my anger for men and their primitive, inferior behavior and brain. Yet nobody talks about this. Can you imagine if HIV was a "women's thing" instead? How men would treat us? Well, I'm pretty sure it will be at a point though now that trannies are increasingly being categorized as women
>>1736 This is nightmare fuel. How do you even vet for this. Scrotes out here living double lives, lying and fucking away at anything but it's women who are demonized for wanting to leave and divorce
>>1736 Everyone hates DL men except for the gay men and trannies who sleep with them. I also don't believe every person fucking a married man does not know, nope. Some of them know and don't care they are all men at the end of the day. A bunch of men thinking with their dicks, so fuck the wives and GF's. They want to fuck a "Straight" man with a wife and the "Straight" man wants to fuck a tranny or a man. DL men/Chasers are fucking dangerous. I blame DL men for HIV being introduced to women, because DL men tend to have more risky sex with anyone with a dick. Men know same sex encounters are gay/bisexual, yet they want them because they are gay/bisexual or got hooked on tranny porn. Notice how trans women, porn and all kinds of crazy shit is trying to be normalized by MEN? They want women to be okay with being with fucked up men. Even when A DL man is exposed, men apart of the alphabet gang come out and try to pull the, "if people were accepting he wouldn't have to hide it!" By "people" they mean women, not men who I regularly see shun and joke on gay men/bisexual men and especially tranny chasers. Men dick watch eachother. I've been on a lot of forums where men constantly judge eachother for who they fuck, so you telling me the only reason DL men can't be out , is society? Or other men judging them? If they be honest with women they'd have NO issues, but they don't.
>>1736 This actually happens surprisingly often, I talked to a woman who actually got HIV from her husband, he had some strange preference for black crossdressers. The strange part is that she still stayed with him even after all of this, it's as if she chose to remain dependant on this man who clearly gave no thought for her well-being, he basically handed her a death sentence.
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>>1738 They are not thinking with their dicks. They are thinking with their brains and they are 100% aware of everything. Thing is: They don't care at all. And trust me, none of these guys are doing this because society is homophobic or something. They WANT to have girlfriends, wives and a family. They think they are entitled of having a that. In a way they see women as "romantic partners" but they have sex with men. They all try to normalize this shit cause men are the definition of scum and degeneracy. I read an article the other day about a girl who lost her virginity at 22 to her first boyfriend and got both pregnant and HIV from him. He was bisexual and was cheating on her with men during their relationship. At the end she mentioned she is still a positive person and that she just doesn't date anyone but still dreams of marrying one day. She also said she doesn't feel angry towards him and forgives him. Even though he never even said sorry. Even though he disappeared and left her with the kid. Even though he gave a disease that has no cure and probably will never have. She probably won't ever have sex again or accomplish her big dream of getting married, which for most women, is the only thing that makes life worth living. She will suffer from the stigma of having HIV and is going to be called all names even though that was her first time. And she still "doesn't feel angry towards him and forgives him"... And this is exactly why scrotes, the scum of the earth, do what they do: Cause women are not angry. Women don't have the slightest idea of what actually have always been going on, the reality about men, how many of their boyfriends and husbands are putting them at risk no matter how "straight" these men seem to be or look. Women are alienated because of how silent society is about all of this and romance propaganda
>>1763 Spot on, anon. That is so heartbreaking. You know (and I think I've complained about it here) but this forgiveness culture that women are so pressured into buying into is so dangerous for women. It neuters us of our righteous anger that is usually necessary to motivate us to seek justice and encourage other women to be vigilant and seek justice for themselves too, or at the least, to be realistic about the fact that these are straight up evil people. I'm so tired of the "he has his problems too and I understand and forgive him", when there's nothing to understand about these people except that they are malicious for no good reason. These men don't care and they aren't not thinking. They just have 0 consideration for these women as people, as friends, as partners they should protect. There's no love there. In many cases, no matter how much these women try to please these men and think only positively of them, they still resent these women and think these women are even deserving of disease for any reason - for having asked that they be monogamous, for just being a woman, for not having a dick when they want one, for not being down to fuck at any moment, for leaving the mayonnaise out on the table, for anything. As far as romance propaganda goes, it leaves women completely deluded and oblivious to obvious red flags and it paints perceptiveness as paranoia so long as it's experienced by a woman.
>>1766 Crazy to think women are passive to ALL of this shit while men do mass shootings targeting women because 10/10 tall blond models didn't want to fuck with their ugly and primitive asses The absolute state of our society anon


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