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iw - International Women's Rights admin Board owner 01/17/2020 (Fri) 19:31:10 No. 68
There is little that we can do as individuals to stop socially or legally sanctioned abuse of women in other cultures but we can raise awareness of new and ongoing issues and evaluate the work of charities where donations could make a difference. This thread is for discussing new or ongoing women's rights abuses around the world.
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(merged from /iw/) My heart broke for the Yezidi in 2014. They are a small religious minority in northern Iraq who were in the firing line when foreign Daesh fighters flooded over the border from Syria. They lived in isolated communities in mountainous regions without natural resources, following an ancient religion with some beliefs dating back millennia. They survived against the odds - their religious history states they were subject to 77 genocides in the past. Their history and religion is fascinating, but sadly that is not the point of this post. They had no allies among their neighbors. Theoretically they may be related to the Kurds, but lived outside Kurdistan. Both Kurdish and Iraqi government forces retreated before the advance of Daesh, leaving the Yezidi helpless. Vilified as pagans and devil worshipers by Daesh they were subject to the worst acts of systematic cruelty in the war. There were mass executions and civilians rushed to flee to safety - 50,000 were stranded in the mountains until a rescue operation was arranged. This was used as justification for the first bombs dropped on Daesh fighters in Iraq by the US. https://youtu.be/YJKHBnQXyRI This is a desperate appeal that the Yezidi MP made in the Iraqi parliament to save her people. The massacres were not stopped, but a rescue operation for the tens of thousands stranded on the mountain was launched providing the justification for the first use of US bombs against Daesh in Iraq. What makes this story worse is how the women were treated. Nothing so merciful as a mass execution, tens of thousands of girls were taken as sex slaves, justified by perverse readings of the quran and their status as 'pagans', sold and traded among fighters as 'rewards'. Some quotes from wikipedia. This is quite disturbing. >Haleh Esfandiari from the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars highlighted the abuse of local women by ISIL militants after they have captured an area. "They usually take the older women to a makeshift slave market and try to sell them. The younger girls ... are raped or married off to fighters", she said, adding, "It's based on temporary marriages, and once these fighters have had sex with these young girls, they just pass them on to other fighters." >Speaking of Yazidi women captured by ISIL, Nazand Begikhani said in October 2014, "These women have been treated like cattle... They have been subjected to physical and sexual violence, including systematic rape and sex slavery. They've been exposed in markets in Mosul and in Raqqa, Syria, carrying price tags." >Writing in mid 2016, Lori Hinnant, Maya Alleruzzo and Balint Szlanko of the Associated Press report that ISIL tightened "its grip on the estimated 3,000 women and girls held as sex slaves" even while it was losing territory to Iraqi forces. >As Western-backed forces closed in on ISIL's capital city Raqqa in July 2017, reports from the wives of ISIL members shared on an Arabic program were released. One wife stated that on encrypted apps, "They were sharing photos of the sex slaves with the best make-up and clothes, and asking $2,000 for this one, $3,000 for that one. A virgin cost $10,000". They contested statements by former Yazidi captives, saying that "the sex slaves were lavished with gifts including expensive lipstick and clothes". Many wives were jealous of the Yazidi sex slaves, leaving their husbands, and when they were provided aid by refugee services in the area, "the wives of the jihadis showed little emotion over the atrocities committed in Syria". It is likely that there are hundreds if not thousands of women and girls abducted from Iraq still in captivity. For a while there was a business in arranging ransoms for girls to return to their desperate and destitute families >For over a year after the girls were first enslaved, "Arab and Kurdish smugglers managed to free an average of 134" slaves a month. But by May 2016, an ISIL "crackdown reduced those numbers to just 39 in the last six weeks, according to figures provided by the Kurdistan regional government". ISIL fighters have been targeting and "assassinating smugglers who rescue the captives". At the same time the funds to buy the women out of slavery provided by the Kurdish regional government "are drying up," as a result of the collapse in the price of oil and disputes with Iraq's central government over revenues. As for the survivors - they are refugees who have no homes let alone help to overcome the trauma they have experienced. Nadia Murad, pictured in the sticky for this board is a survivor who has become a prominent human rights activist, addressing the UN and achieving official recognition for what happened to the Yezidi as genocide. She was in the news recently when Donald Trump asked her how to win a Nobel Peace Prize. Besides laughing at the stupid orange man, I feel like more people should know what happened to her and her people. You can find her story, and the stories of other survivors on google. It is not easy to read. But it seems like only six year later the world has forgotten, and war may come to Iraq again.
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A bit late, but I thought this was worth sharing. It's a repost from here: https://thisdayinherstory.tumblr.com/post/182613924524/february-6th On This Day in Herstory, February 6th 2003, the United Nations proclaimed this day every year be recognized as International Day of Zero Tolerance for Female Genital Mutilation, as part of the UN’s efforts to eradicate female genital mutilation (FGM). Female genital mutilation is the practice or ritual of cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. FGM is most commonly practiced in 29 countries in Africa, Asia, Latin America and the Middle East; but it is a universal problem, and continues to persist in the immigrant populations living in Europe, North America, and Australia. UNICEF estimated in 2016 that 200 million women living today in 27 African countries, Indonesia, Iraqi Kurdistan and Yemen have undergone FGM, and at least 3 million girls are at risk each year. Traditional the ritual is conducted anywhere from a few days after birth to well into puberty, but most often, it is conducted before the girl is 5 years old. The procedure itself differs according to the country or ethnic group; but can include the removal of the clitoral hood and clitoral glans; removal of the inner labia; and removal of the inner and outer labia and closure of the vulva. The practice is deeply rooted in misogyny, and acts an attempt to control women’s sexuality, as well as instilling ideas about purity, modesty, and beauty into the culture. Despite the brutality of the procedure, it is typically carried out by other women, as they see it as a source of honour and fear that failing to have their daughters and granddaughters cut will expose the girls to shame and ridicule. There are innumerable health risks associated with FGM including, severe pain, bleeding contraction of HIV, infections, psychological consequences such as PTSD, and death. Though it is not the only factor, female sexual health often suffers as a result of FGM. Often there is decreased sexual desire and pleasure, pain during sex, decreased lubrication during intercourse, and reduced frequency or complete absence of orgasm. In 1993 UNICEF was only budgeting $100,000 a year towards fighting against female genital mutilation, but this was insufficient, as more than 100 million girls were being affected by the horrors of FGM. Around this time as campaign was launched that called out for an increase in funding, and UNICEF responded by increasing its spending to $91 million towards eradicating FGM. On February 6th 2003, the First Lady of Nigeria and spokesperson for the Campaign Against Female Genital Mutilation, Stella Obasanjo, officially declared “Zero Tolerance to FGM” in Africa. The International Day of Zero Tolerance for FGM is not a public holiday, but a day of international observation. This day continues to be observed every year in an effort to eliminate FGM by the year 2030. Though the intolerance towards FGM is not, strictly speaking, just because of the medical risks, but also because of the deep-rooted inequality between the sexes, and the extreme discrimination against women and girls. As a whole, these efforts are to help in the fight against violence towards women and girls. Carol Bellamy, executive director of the UN’s Children’s Agency (UNICEF), noted that “Female genital mutilation and cutting is a violation of the basic rights of women and girls,” and that “it is a dangerous and irreversible procedure that negatively impacts the general health, child bearing capabilities and educational opportunities of girls and women.”
Thoughts on the case of ex-Muslims like Yasmine Muhammad. She’s a former radical Islamist and ex wife of an Jihadi and now lives in Canada in hiding. She’s now an atheist and among other things she represents women in the Middle East who wish to be free from enforced Hijab/Niqab or who are imprisoned/beaten on that basis. Her page is full of Middle Eastern women secretly defying the laws in their countries at great personal risk. She’s fallen out with numerous feminists in the US/Canada because she tends to be fairly critical of Muslim women representing as “choice” what the women she represents experience as force. She complains that US feminists not only fail to elevate the voice of oppressed women in the Middle East but that they actively try silence those voices because their voices happen to align rather too well with the rhetoric of western racists.
>>106 I follow her on Twitter. I hate seeing them drowned out by spineless white liberal pandering. Mainstream intersectional feminism keeps failing them and I wish I could do something to help the women in that situation but I'm poor. Actual racists don't give a fuck about women like her; they throw anything at a wall and go with whatever sticks when attempting to dehumanize an entire race of people.
>>106 I'm starting to think western feminism is more in line with comfort with the status quo than justice for women. It's depressing.
>>106 Given that I've never heard of her until now, I will say that just on the subject of whether it's a choice or not - for many women it can be, and they do deserve to be allowed to explain their choice, and to be able to speak out against the prejudice they suffer as a result. Which echoes another dispute in feminism where the opinion I've just given might be unpopular here. Having said that, the hijab absolutely is a tool used for the subjugation of women. I just wish people were capable of recognizing when something is a human rights issue 90% of the time and a personal choice 10% of the time without conflating the two and getting into pointless infighting which doesn't help anyone involved. If she's saying categorically that wearing a hijab is never a choice then technically she's wrong, but that isn't what people should be focused on.
>>113 The thing is in Muhammad's time a Hijab in places like Arabia and North Africa were an absolute necessity, the rough sandy wind and heat would have been much worse to deal without a Hijab but as Islam spread to areas outside Arabia the Hijab itself became arbitrary really because it served no purpose for women outside Arabia
>>116 I was just browsing through wikipedia to find out more, here are some quotes; Available evidence suggests that veiling was not introduced into Arabia by Muhammad, but already existed there, particularly in the towns, although it was probably not as widespread as in the neighboring countries such as Syria and Palestine. Similarly to the practice among Greeks, Romans, Jews, and Assyrians, its use was associated with high social status. As for why the Assyrians, arguably the most misogynistic society ever to exist did it; In ancient Mesopotamia, Assyria had explicit sumptuary laws detailing which women must veil and which women must not, depending upon the woman's class, rank, and occupation in society. Female slaves and prostitutes were forbidden to veil and faced harsh penalties if they did so. Veiling was thus not only a marker of aristocratic rank, but also served to "differentiate between 'respectable' women and those who were publicly available" Grim. The practice of veiling was borrowed from the elites of the Byzantine and Persian empires, where it was a symbol of respectability and high social status, during the Arab conquests of those empires. Reza Aslan argues that "The veil was neither compulsory nor widely adopted until generations after Muhammad's death, when a large body of male scriptural and legal scholars began using their religious and political authority to regain the dominance they had lost in society as a result of the Prophet's egalitarian reforms". I think there is a difference between a garment designed to keep the sand away and one designed to conceal the person wearing it. It seems obvious that the proscription and the motivation behind it are about controlling women's bodies.
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So I already posted this on lolcow >Afghanistan has a socialist government that greatrly improves lives of women in cities and urban areas >helps improve medicine aid and education >US flips out because their "communist" >US and Suadi Arabia support a bunch of illiterate mountain peasants and further indoctrinates them in radical Islam making them even more patriarchal then they were before >Things get so bad the Soviets have to send men to fight them off >US, Saudi Arabia and gulf countries put even more money into aiding and training the insurgents from Pakistan >due to a guerrilla war and economic struggles the soviets leave >radicals take over and women become probally the lowest class citizens then anywhere else in the world seriously after all this talk about wanting the help the afghan women we're throwing them to the wolves once more, I mean the current goverment despite its millions of faults still gives women rights on paper the Taliban don't even pretend to do that
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/world/middleeast/isis-iraq-trial.html Five years later, justice for a single Yazidi woman. It's a start.
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I feel we have to discuss ayaan hirsi ali, Im sure most people here are familiar with her but for those who don't know She is a born Somali Dutch activist and feminist, she experienced FGM at a very young age and she her self sympathized Islamic radicalism in her youth, however she grew out of this after arriving in the past and comparing the relative freedom western women had. in 2004 she made a film called submission about the normalized abuse many Muslim women face, cause of this the co-producer and directer of film and one ayaan's personal friend was killed in terrorist attack for debasing Islam she is critical about Islam and Muslim men but the left for some reason wants to ignore this and for this reason she's kinda forced with right wing media sources despite having a history of working with liberal parties many white western feminists seem to despise her, less for for working with right wing parties but more for daring to criticize Islam and I sympathize with her, she's caught between a rock and hard place
>>1220 I wasn't familiar with her and just looked her up. All I have to say is that she's awesome and inspiring, thanks for posting.
>>1220 yeah, i never understood the hate for her. a lot of it was like... "she wrote for quilliam"... like... ok?
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>>1248 as I said what else choice does she have, I don't even understand why leftists, liberals and so called feminists have a boner for Islam for no apparent reason at least the Soviets burned down Churches and Mosques equally pic related is Soviet Union propaganda for the Central Asian Soviet States translation "Why did you stop reading the Quran? — Because I started reading Lenin!"
>>1259 >I don't even understand why leftists, liberals and so called feminists have a boner for Islam for no apparent reason What if it's related to the hateboner for Israel
>>1259 they are the most oppressed
>>1248 I thought her name sounded familiar. She's married to Niall Ferguson so there's that.
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>>1259 From my experience as a muzzie-adjacent, progressives or liberals who end up "defending Islam" conflate defending the religion with defending Muslims (aka the actual people). From seeing this type of discourse in the US play out constantly, right-wingers will pick out some awful verses or scripture or w/e to support their xenophobia and the progressives will usually deflect with whataboutism and mention the crusades or the new world conquests to show that even Christians had their moments of absolute barbarism etc etc and then in return cherry pick some """"good""" things in Islam. This is coupled with Muslims everywhere acting like they are unable to criticize their religion and even their own separate cultures because of muh nationalism and feeling like they are constantly "under attack from the West" and how criticizing themselves will only feed into it. Ali gets ragged on in particular considering she parades around "imperialist feminism" since afaik she supported the war on terror and is/was essentially a neocon darling. It's not a simple issue, but I think Muslims do need to get over themselves and stop the self-victimization shit. Muslim feminists/progressives themselves need to focus on their communities. Western liberals need to separate the religion from the people. Sorry this is turning in a blogpost but I've been seeing this discourse for over a decade and it gives me hives thinking about it.
>>1267 I don't particularly get the Crusades argument, Arab Muslims Invaded christian regions and forcefully converted the people to the Islam, how the hell did they think it was gonna end, of course the christian would make a counter offensive now here's my personal issue with the Quran and Islam as a Pakistani ex-Muslim, The Quran is supposed to be always read and written only in Arabic and in the beginning of Islamic Arab expansonism, you were supposed to be adopted into an Arabic clan in order to convert. Sure, you can become Muslim, but then again everyone is supposed to have been a Muslim at birth anyway according to the Quran. Islam is vert Arab supremacist in outlook and expansionist in effect. even non-Arab Muslims are portrayed as weak converts and not real Muslims. here's a fun fact the Sindhis who were Buddhists at the time actually beat and pushed back the Muslim Arabs, however during the late mid 6th century sindh was in a civil war and the Arabs Invaded and conquered the region, they tried to invade further but were beraten and pushed back a Kashmiri Hindu king, and in this narrative we are taught to side with the Arab Muslims who hate us rather then our non-Muslim ancestors the supposed tolerant aspects of Islam only came when the Arabs were pushed back and locals started adding aspect of their own culture to the religion, Pakistan is made up of dozens of different ethnicities who can all be further divided into there individual clans/tribes and all speak different languages. The only thing that keeps them together is Islam. and even then it doesn't always work. we had a horrible ethnic civil war in the 70's where there was an attempted genocide, we had paramilitary death squads killing other ethnic groups in the 80's-90's and even now were dealing with separatist insurgencies,
None of y'all were brought up in an indian hindu community and it shows. If anyones interested I will make a tl:dr post.
>>1536 do it, I triple dog dare you
>>1536 Do it, I'm a little curious.
>>1536 Would like to hear your perspective, anon
>>1536 I grew up around the other side of the border(Pakistan) I'm sure you went throy some bullshit, but it's not comparable to what goes on in Muslim countries, especially here in Pakistan, the fact is you are allowed to leave Hinduism, worst case scenario would be that your family would disown you but here the state will kill me if I leave Islam, me and every other unfortunate soul that has to live with this godawful religion will be hanged for leaving Islam and or insulting Muhammad, I'm sure Indian Muslim muhajirs are better then the muhajirs we have here cause they have less power
>>1537 >>1542 >>1544 Hey everyone-ok confession, after I wrote that post I lost this sites address and it took me this long to find lol. So I will probably make a longer post next time with related videos but the big issue is with the caste system and its the reason why people cannot covert to the religion of Hinduism, and there are some wannabe spicy white people who try and clearly have not done their research. Your caste is something thats dictated when your born and you cant escape it (unless you covert out of the religion) theres been a few short documentaries done on it which is what i want to link for you so you dont have to read novel long posts. basically if you are of a low caste you get treated like shit and higher castes can abuse you without fear of presecution. I will go into depth in a later post but you can google it if you're really curious. The funny thing for me is they tried to practise it over here (I'm in england now) and basically the police got involved but it was kept from the mainstream news and its one reason you get indian hindus who still try to practise this shit siding with the BNP and racist national parties-they dont want whitey to turn on them. >>1548 Anon, while i sympathise, this isnt a competiton. its funny that you dont know what we've gone through to then say its not comparable to muslim countries when in fact india has been stated to be the most dangerous country for women in 2018, and i remember the backlash this got because people said "how can this be it has to be saudi arabia or some other muslim country". And this is the problem, a lot of westerners romantisize india, which is why when indian feminists and reformers speak out they get ignored. Some truly horrible shit goes down there but people handwave it off because "indians are so colourful and happy!" Not trying to minimise what you're going through anon, but remarks like that really dont help us, we should be in this together.
>>1537 >>1542 >>1544 >>1548 Hey its me again, This isnt the documentrary I originally saw but its similar and if i can find it i will. Warning this is disturbing-basically this is about children are sold into sex slavery because hindu goddess. This didnt happen in my village but I used to hear about it growing up. I'm so glad my family never believed in this nonsense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GFaN9-1iz0&ab_channel=VICE
>>1723 >>1722 Thanks for following up, anon. Going to watch that Vice video. If you find that caste one, I'd be (and I'm sure other anons would be too) interested in seeing it. I'm really glad to hear you and your family were able to leave India and that you're safer now


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