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Anti-Porn thread #1 Anonymous 01/19/2020 (Sun) 16:04:40 No. 38
Discussion about the harms of porn
>>1206 >Katie's chief job—just like the jobs of legions of "social media managers" and "community coordinators" at non-NSFW companies across the internet—is to keep people thinking and talking about her employer's brand. Considering that this blog post exists at all, she's doing it well. This is true and I hate this shit.
had a stroll through the r/sexoffendersupport subreddit. you guys would be so totally not shocked to find how many cases seem to be allegedly or admittedly a result of the "porn pipeline"
>>1206 she shows up in a lot of threads to defend ph. i remember when the rose kalemba and avri sapir stories came out, she went in there to try to smear them while another dumbass redditor got the two women mixed up and declared roses story to be false because he couldn't read twitter usernames i guess. the post was locked due to "misinformation" and she was highly upvoted despite doubting a woman who had a similar story in the same thread, while claiming ph never does that. i've given up on reddit, they eat this shit up. they believe that most women in porn or prostitution love it and that it's like working at mcdonalds, and if anyone dares say otherwise they're downvoted to hell.
>>44 > “Pornography triggers a myriad of endogenous, internal, natural drugs that mimic the ‘high’ from a street drug. Addiction to pornography is addiction to what I dub erototoxins—mind altering drugs produced by the viewer’s own brain.” - Dr. Judith Reisman >>1196 > I'm a little suspicious of Dr. Judith Reisman. She has some strange ideas about various things and isn't taken very seriously by mainstream scientists. Are you suggesting that her quote in post 44 is wrong because of those reasons you specified? If so, then that is a logically-fallacious ad hominem argument. Refute the claims directly if you can; don't attack the claimant in order to suggest the claims are wrong. > "The overwhelming scientific evidence is that the increasing availability of pornography has been inversely related to the number of sex crimes committed." > https://web.archive.org/web/20120913054714/http://biomedicalforensics.com/AAFS/Psychiatry_and_Behavioral_Sciences_EBook.pdf 1. Where are the supporting sources for that? I don't see any in that PDF. 2. Several articles and studies quoted in Trends & Associations (>>391) point out that: (a) Some people are inspired by and may even seek to emulate what they see in pornography, even violent pornography. (b) Exposure at least to violent pornography is associated with both coercion and violent behavior in a sexual context by some viewers. 3. There is one major problem with the PDF you referenced: In the section titled "Pornography and Sexual Violence: Is There a Connection?" it seems to equate sexual violence with "sex crimes." These are two distinct topics. Not all sexual violence may be prosecuted as a sex crime, perhaps due to regional legal differences, a victim's fear of reporting the violence, varying severity of the potential and/or actual consequences involved, etc. (Note that "erotic" might be a more appropriate term for non-procreative and non-genital erotic activities, but common usage of the term "sexual" makes no distinction, so I won't either beyond providing this footnote.)
>>1196 > I think it's important to be objective. I agree. "Pornography has become a primary source of sexual education. At the same time, mainstream commercial pornography has coalesced around a relatively homogenous script involving violence and female degradation. Yet, little work has been done exploring the associations between pornography and dyadic sexual encounters: What role does pornography play inside real-world sexual encounters between a man and a woman? Cognitive script theory argues media scripts create a readily accessible heuristic model for decision-making. The more a user watches a particular media script, the more embedded those codes of behavior become in their worldview and the more likely they are to use those scripts to act upon real life experiences. We argue pornography creates a sexual script that then guides sexual experiences. To test this, we surveyed 487 college men (ages 18-29 years) in the United States to compare their rate of pornography use with sexual preferences and concerns. Results showed the more pornography a man watches, the more likely he was to use it during sex, request particular pornographic sex acts of his partner, [and] deliberately conjure images of pornography during sex to maintain arousal[...]." "Pornography and the Male Sexual Script: An Analysis of Consumption and Sexual Relations." Archives of Sexual Behavior. 2016 May; 45(4): 983-94. PMID 25466233. doi:10.1007/s10508-014-0391-2. Epub 2014 Dec 3. [Use care when quoting this study due to the erratum: the abstract text was corrected.] "This study aims to report the epidemiology of sexual violence (SV) perpetration for both female and male youth across a broad age spectrum. Additionally, the etiology of SV perpetration is examined by identifying prior exposures that predict a first SV perpetration. Six waves of data were collected nationally online, between 2006 and 2012, from 1586 youth between 10 and 21 years of age. Five types of SV were assessed: sexual harassment, sexual assault, coercive sex, attempted rape, and rape. To identify how prior exposures may predict the emergence of SV in adolescence, parsimonious lagged multivariable logistic regression models estimated the odds of first perpetrating each of the five types of SV within the context of other variables (e.g., rape attitudes). Average age at first perpetration was between 15 and 16 years of age, depending on SV type. Several characteristics were more commonly reported by perpetrators than non-perpetrators (e.g., alcohol use, other types of SV perpetration and victimization). After adjusting for potentially influential characteristics, prior exposure to parental spousal abuse and current exposure to violent pornography were each strongly associated with the emergence of SV perpetration-attempted rape being the exception for violent pornography. Current aggressive behavior was also significantly implicated in all types of first SV perpetration except rape. Previous victimization of sexual harassment and current victimization of psychological abuse in relationships were additionally predictive of one's first SV perpetration, albeit in various patterns. In this national longitudinal study of different types of SV perpetration among adolescent men and women, findings suggest several malleable factors that need to be targeted, especially scripts of inter-personal violence that are being modeled by abusive parents in youths' homes and also reinforced by violent pornography. The predictive value of victimization for a subsequent first SV perpetration highlights the inter-relatedness of different types of violence involvement. Universal and holistic prevention programming that targets aggressive behaviors and violent scripts in inter-personal relationships is needed well before the age of 15 years." "Predicting the Emergence of Sexual Violence in Adolescence." Prevention Science. 2018 May; 19(4): 403-415. PMID 28685211. doi:10.1007/s11121-017-0810-4. "Pornography, Sexual Coercion and Abuse and Sexting in Young People's Intimate Relationships: A Europ
>>1280 >truncating instead of rejecting the post as too long Continued: "Pornography, Sexual Coercion and Abuse and Sexting in Young People's Intimate Relationships: A European Study." Journal of Interpersonal Violence. 2018 Oct; 33(19): 2919-2944. PMID 26951609. doi:10.1177/0886260516633204. Epub 2016 Mar 6. "Problematic Pornography Use and Physical and Sexual Intimate Partner Violence Perpetration Among Men in Batterer Intervention Programs." Journal of Interpersonal Violence. 2018 Nov 21; 886260518812806. PMID 30461344. doi:10.1177/0886260518812806. Online ahead of print.
>If sex workers were respected and supported, they wouldn't be exploited. Because you don't exploit people who you respect and support. I literally just saw a tweet saying this lmao like how dumb is this person? People highly respect and support children, but they are still exploited. Pedophilia is a literal thing and it's illegal. So basically this person is saying we can stop all abuse if we were nice... Perfect
>>1310 If sex workers were truly respected and seen as people no one would buy sex from them in the first place. They truly delude themselves if they think any of their clients will ever respect them beyond a surface level.
>>1310 Even if it were true that punters somehow respected sex workers or that by legitimizing sex work it would cause them to "respect" these women, they really disregard the fact that there will always be a large portion of the population of males, honestly, that feels no respect towards basically anyone because of the extreme entitlement patriarchy instills in them. A lot of men have no "respect" for anyone but themselves. Slogans aren't going to change these men. This is a much larger issue that can't be tackled by "sex work is work". Women need to understand how dangerous sex is, period. It's extremely dangerous to put yourself in these positions with even men you "know", and it's nowhere near sensible to make yourself that vulnerable with many men for money. There is no rationalizing that kind of foolishness that could so easily go so wrong.
I met a "nice" guy, but he's a pornsick. We haven't met in person yet, but he only talks about anal sex and sadistic practices out of porn. Do you think I can change his mind? Or is he just going to try to make me prudish?
>>1374 It all hinges on the answer to one question: does he admit it's a problem?
>>1374 You mean he wants to have anal sex and sadistic sex? Why would you even want to meet this guy?
>>1374 >He only talks about anal sex and sadistic practices out of porn he doesn't sound very "nice" >Do you think I can change his mind? No, sounds like he'll be overly defensive of his precious porn. Though feel free to discuss the ethics of watching porn and see where that gets you. World's in a pandemic, he doesn't sound worth it.
>>1374 No, just leave him alone jesus christ. This is why you guys get into bad relationship after bad relationship, you think that you can change men even after they show you their true colors. FYI if he watches sadistic porn he is not a nice guy.
>>1374 Make it about putting things up his butt and hurting him IMO It's not going to end well but it might make for more entertaining conversation.
>>398 >boobs the size of two watermelons >15-16
I don't think porn will disappear for a long long time. What can be done in the mean time to lower its damage? More female porn directors are becoming prominent and "female friendly" is a thing although I think the term is pretty demeaning.
>>1472 Honestly, like, it really sucks, but I think the onlyfans thing might not be so bad in that these girls are mostly creating their own content and in doing so I THINK it tends to be less violent and abusive (less emphasis on gangrape etc). I'm seeing a lot more "vanilla" ish content coming from these onlyfans girls, and at least there's no middle men save for the site, at least the girls have automatic copyright, etc. I also think it's better than camming because camming, I assume, puts them in more of a frenzied mentality where they're pressured to please right on the spot, so they're more likely to do extreme things to themselves either in private chat or on the main stream, whatever.
>>1472 Tbqh I do. And it's cause is rooted in misogyny of course. Because like you mentioned, as more women get into roles of power when producing porn, so will the men who demand the awful shit decide to leave and be "anti porn". They're not into to whatever women make be it hard bdsm shit ort he soft sensual kind. It will be then shown as the good men being pure and anti degradation (even though they get off on it) vs the evil corrupted women who are promoting it. I'm seeing it now already with pornhub getting backlash for being exploitative towards rape victims gaining attention. Their social media is protrayed as a woman is managing them so it's easier for men to start hating them. It's like nofap is anti porn but it's purely from the perspective of men who are in their 20s/30s with chronic ED feeling bad that they can't feel anything anymore and that porn made them view women like their gfs and wives as ugly and undesirable. They don't give a fuck about the reality of sex trafficking and porn being so interwoven or how rape and assault videos are the norm or how those porn actresses are realizing the demand for straight violence and snuff is getting too high for them to supply due to being uncomfortable with the content so the industry finds girls to drug and abuse them on camera. It's what men are feeling that will dictate the narrative.... Like people bring up legalizing prostitution not so women are protected. They know women won't be. The demand for legal prostitutes at any age is SO high, supply happens only through trafficking. I remember that case I think in the US(Rhode Island?) where they mistakenly legalized it. And trafficking rose. It's happened all over the EU too. These men demand women to make children yet get off on destroying our reproductive systems so much. It's heinious.
It's funny though how the NoFap community seem to miss the point that masturbation isn't entirely wrong or damaging. They fucked themselves and their dicks up with their own porn consumption, it's hard to sympathize since they're more concerned about themselves than the women who were coerced and trafficked in their gross ass male fantasies. I can't imagine how male sexuality would be without pornography or even how pornography would be without the male sexuality. It's too embedded and tied together. And I know that though there are other forms of pornography (like literotica, or audio stuff), I can't help but think that it's still all goddamn male fantasies. Also, is it even possible for men who can get off from healthy imaginations alone??
This isn't about porn but what your stand on hentai? Weebs I've seen around justify hentai because it doesn't harm women but at same time it has some of the fucked up contents humanity has every created when it comes to sick fetishes. They claim there are no consequences to such content and it's just pixels on a screen.
>>830 Why is no one even trying to fix those major flaws in those articles that were pointed out?
>>1493 I think hentai promotes this degenerate mentality of the "experienced virgin" to much to scrotes. There are stories from women who have been told by their exes that their bodies aren't like some drawn anime girl, how their breasts don't lactate after orgasm, ect. And I see how many men want inexperienced girls but still will shame and pressure them if they don't act like porn stars. You find that alot in anime where the girl is an innocent virgin until sex and then she's another whole person due to dick.
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>>1511 >crickets I'll just dump these images and fuck off elsewhere. I don't belong here. No one's listening anyway — same as everywhere else. Have fun laughing at the crazy male incel virgin with the insane fetish.
>>1577 wait, what? why don't you belong here? people are listening and agree with you, it's just that the board is slow.
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They're so desperate
>>1666 They really are. A pick-me of the highest caliber.
>>1682 Is she seriously claiming that anti rapehub is fake because of her eyebrows? Oh my god they are pathetic. I love seeing replies calling out how ugly porn is nowadays especially under porn stars who hate seeing victims speak out tweets. I hope it continues. Does anyone remember Shelley lubben? She past away a few years ago but she was an anti porn advocate after being in it for a bit. And some scrote Michael whitecare with other porn stars made expose videos and pages on her because supposedly she scammed people with her charity. She wasn't perfect and they said she passed away allegedly via suicide but it was amazing seeing how much effort porn addicted scrotes give when porn stars actually reveal their negative experiences. There's also the documentary The Dark Side of Porn I think it's on YouTube in parts that had an interview with a woman who was beaten by a stalker that loved her and her videos yet she as raped and brutalized.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlatantMisogyny/comments/jdlhv9/i_wasnt_even_searching_for_porn/ Rapehub tries to be so "pro woman" and mainstream and funny with brands on twitter yet keeps sick shit like this out in the open. Every violent scrote has a history with violent porn. But retarded libfems hate women and would rather defend "misogyny kinks" like this than to critique it.
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so tired of seeing "sexy" Wednesday Addams cosplays around Halloween. Do people forget Wednesday is literally a child?
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God can we please just delete scrote posting, seeing that shit is annoying
I stumbled on a thread on reddit that was discussing pro life topics. And one scrote made the typical comments against it, calling women sluts for having sex. Yet you see on his comment history he loved those "sluts" enough from various porn subs to comment on them and write gross fantasies involving them. It's always the same scrotes I've noticed on reddit that blast out anti pro choice rhetoric are the same scrotes that leave comments of praise on porn subs talking about all thr sex they wish they could have with those women. They love sex, love those women that have sex, but hate that sex can lead to babies so these retarded scrotes have to blame women instead of their degernate male sexuality.
>>1931 This sort of double standard reminds me of the male injectable birth control that was being developed in India, but they had to suspend the study on it because the participants complained about headaches and depression. Boo hoo hoo. Meanwhile women have been dealing with pain, acne, weight gain, low libido, nausea, mood issues and an increased risk for fucking cancer due to hormonal birth control for decades. (As an aside, another form of RISUG is still being developed and should hopefully come out within the next few years.)
>>1931 Only the lowest males would leave comments like that. The rest are happy enough to watch porn and be on their merry way, judging silently. These guys are the equivalent to the dumb sociopaths who get caught and put behind bars.
I just want to make love not have sex where a dude is secretly thinking of porn or reenacting one,
>>1931 It's just another instance of their Madonna-whore complex in action. It always fucks me up trying to comprehend how their minds work, because it makes no logical sense how the largest consumers of pornography, prostitution, and incel/pua rhetoric can also viciously hate promiscuous women despite obviously desiring them. Something is deeply, horribly wrong with how the male psyche processes sexuality.
>>2016 Exactly this
>>451 This is why I think we should fight fire with fire and make a bunch of sites that objectify conventionally attractive men in horrible ways. I say this because I remember my ex getting mad that I was looking at old pictures of emo guys even though he was a porn addict and we had a dead bedroom. I have heard similar things from other women about their ex boyfriends. Men wouldnt be able to handle even half of the objectification if women started acting like coomers. Make porn addicted bfs eat you out while you watch a slideshow of 10/10 men he could never measure up to and then refuse to make him cum. This is how women need to get mean. and no I no longer care if its unethical I dont care about male feelings anymore this has gone too far they need to understand how we feel and this is the only way. and no I dont want to hear about the .5% of men who would get off to feeling inadequate. The vast majority of dudes would not be able to handle this and it would really get some shit changed if women started treating men how they treat us.
>>2211 > we should fight fire with fire and make a bunch of sites that objectify conventionally attractive men in horrible ways. And then some men and women will believe this how it is supposed to be, and you'd have then normalised these despicable behaviours for all. That's just how 4chan pretended to be retarded, and, somehow, actually ended up more retarded than it used to be. Emulating something you want to fight is a strategical error. Demonstrating the absurdity of something by using 2nd degree humour, sarcasm or caricature is detrimental, especially when everyone is so divided that there is no common references anymore.
https://youtu.be/KcVqKGoH36k I'm sorry it's Laura Ingraham but she had Dr Gail to talk about porn. Few scrotes in the comments about Gail going in on how males are primarily the problem with porn but who cares, she's right still. Now libfems are seething since they want to make this issue a political one, conservative swerfs vs pro porn lib fems. Already onlyfans thots are getting angry too because they dgaf about raped children, they just don't want to lose money with anti porn picking up steam
>>2283 Thank you anon! Some people seem to miss what "rad" truly means.
https://youtu.be/X7am_sRIVhs YouTube has the documentary The Dark Side of Porn spilt into part but this part is pretty good
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Saw them talking about this in the other forum, trannies upset about it "destroying queer people's careers" and "muh nsfw fanart is in danger." Wild that they want prostitution to be legal yet don't it to be regulated or for careless companies (twitter) to take responsibility for letting nsfw content run wild on websites that let kids as young as thirteen on. https://www.merkley.senate.gov/news/press-releases/merkley-sasse-unveil-urgently-needed-legislation-to-crack-down-on-online-sexual-exploitation#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20D.C.%20–%20Oregon%27s%20U.S.%20Senator,protect%20Americans%20from%20sexual%20exploitation https://www.sasse.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/331cad76-8a23-499f-83e9-c3fe322f408f/summary-stop-internet-sexual-exploitation-act-3-.pdf https://www.sasse.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/331cad76-8a23-499f-83e9-c3fe322f408f/summary-stop-internet-sexual-exploitation-act-3-.pdf
>>2320 This shit is disgusting to me, I can't believe the left is putting the profits of the porn industry above freeing literal sex slaves and sexually abused children. I'm sorry, I've voted democrat my whole life, but I just don't think I can continue to support them. I would defiantly vote for a republican woman before a dem man.
>>2382 Funny, whenever I talk to these people about all the human trafficking, revenge porn and CP that's connected to legalized pornography, they always say that we just need proper regulation so that doesn't happen. And yet, whenever there's any kind of regulation put in place, they shoot it down. Hmmm.
>>2395 For real, everything and anything that would make things better "harms sex workers!" For some reason these people rarely elaborate on how actual regulations do that. Hmm.
>>1489 >even how pornography would be without the male sexuality. It's too embedded and tied together. And I know that though there are other forms of pornography (like literotica, or audio stuff), I can't help but think that it's still all goddamn male fantasies. >literature/literotica >male dominated >male fantasies lol Female dominated pron is some variant of demon/werewolf/vampire troubled hazubando, mlm bdsm A/B/O mpreg yaoi, or fanfiction of Boku no Hero, Naruto, harry Potter, Avatar the Last Airbender or generally any anime(-styled cartoon) that has aired on cable television. It comes with a giant tag list of every kink that appears in the story that takes up half of the page


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